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		<title>By: maggicman11</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwizardsblog.com/2009/11/22/wizards-sunday/comment-page-1/#comment-88422</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well I&#039;d rather see players on the court who are going to make a solid effort at getting the team a win than to see guys just out there trying to out score each other. jamison understands team ball. Gil even is starting to understand it but even tho he&#039;s healthy, he is not as good as he once was and is terrible on D. untill those guys understand D as well as team ball they need to come off the bench. what would we be losing, really? scoring? HA, that would be a good joke.. these starters are shooting a horribly fg%. would we lose D? HA, an even better joke. we have nothing to lose and everything to gain. yes, slick goes from dnp to starter because as of now this would be the best starting lineup. it would hopefully get gil back to his killer instinct ways. He has always been a player who wants to prove everyone wrong. well, now people think he&#039;s a beast. and yet again he is proving people wrong. maybe if he is coming off the bench it will reignite something he has lost. Jamison is a true leader.  the only one on the team. I dont know what kind of a message it would send to bring him off the bench. 

Right now im thinking a trade is order if the lineup change doesnt work. maybe Gil is pretty untradeable given his price tag and lack of ability to earn it. but Gil and Caron together.. I wonder what we could get for that?? hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well I&#8217;d rather see players on the court who are going to make a solid effort at getting the team a win than to see guys just out there trying to out score each other. jamison understands team ball. Gil even is starting to understand it but even tho he&#8217;s healthy, he is not as good as he once was and is terrible on D. untill those guys understand D as well as team ball they need to come off the bench. what would we be losing, really? scoring? HA, that would be a good joke.. these starters are shooting a horribly fg%. would we lose D? HA, an even better joke. we have nothing to lose and everything to gain. yes, slick goes from dnp to starter because as of now this would be the best starting lineup. it would hopefully get gil back to his killer instinct ways. He has always been a player who wants to prove everyone wrong. well, now people think he&#8217;s a beast. and yet again he is proving people wrong. maybe if he is coming off the bench it will reignite something he has lost. Jamison is a true leader.  the only one on the team. I dont know what kind of a message it would send to bring him off the bench. </p>
<p>Right now im thinking a trade is order if the lineup change doesnt work. maybe Gil is pretty untradeable given his price tag and lack of ability to earn it. but Gil and Caron together.. I wonder what we could get for that?? hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neal</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Tom, where did you go?

I haven&#039;t seen that Jamison hustles more than Arenas or Butler on defense.  Do others see that?  Actually, I haven&#039;t noticed Butler giving up as much as the other two.  Maybe because I haven&#039;t watched him as much.

Wow!  Slick goes from DNP to starting.  It does seem, however, that when he only subs he never gets into a rhythm.

Someone posted stats on the Wiz as a team compared to the other teams.  Where did you get those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Tom, where did you go?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen that Jamison hustles more than Arenas or Butler on defense.  Do others see that?  Actually, I haven&#8217;t noticed Butler giving up as much as the other two.  Maybe because I haven&#8217;t watched him as much.</p>
<p>Wow!  Slick goes from DNP to starting.  It does seem, however, that when he only subs he never gets into a rhythm.</p>
<p>Someone posted stats on the Wiz as a team compared to the other teams.  Where did you get those?</p>
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		<title>By: maggicman11</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although i believe arenas is the BIGGEST problem on the team right now, I do agree that caron seems to be trying to &quot;up&quot; his value. If flip is not running plays his way, that doesnt mean go out and try to get your own shots. it simply means we are trying to get a better shot so pass the ball. I dont think he should have any plays called his way till he starts playing defense. this is not football, you cant play offense then take a break while the rest of ur team plays D. you have to have both. if a guy cant play D he shouldnt be on the floor. D wins championships, O just wins games. so if DOM can always play good D but cant score as good as caron, but will make the extra pass to get it to someone who can and can sit on the bench.. why is it then when guys play good O but cant play a lick of D they get 30 min a game? it doesnt make sense. not to mention if flip were to let Dom shoot 20 times a game he would probably score more than gil has been scoring so far. its not like we&#039;d be missing anything. and if nick shoots 20x a game he&#039;d definitely score more than 18 points. 

I think we need change on this team and i dont mean take out one player and leave the 3 guys causing the most problems on the floor in differnt positions.  GIl and caron need to come off the bench. That is the best way to make sure guys check their ego&#039;s at the door. nothingg more humbling than benching your so called &quot;star&quot; player. The only reason i dont also say bench twaan is because at least he attempts to play defense. he is not quick, and is not a high jumper, and is not as big as some other bigs, so its harder for him to go up against players like duncan or josh smith. but he gives 100% every game. 

right now twaan and haywood are the only startes deserving of the title. i would include miller but he&#039;s hurt. 

so for the starting lineup i would pick

1. foye or boykins
2. nick young
3. dom
4. twaan or blatche i&#039;d split the time evenly between these two
5. haywood

6. blatche
7. mcgee
8. caron
9. arenas

that would humble these guys with &quot;hidden agendas&quot; and &quot;egos&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although i believe arenas is the BIGGEST problem on the team right now, I do agree that caron seems to be trying to &#8220;up&#8221; his value. If flip is not running plays his way, that doesnt mean go out and try to get your own shots. it simply means we are trying to get a better shot so pass the ball. I dont think he should have any plays called his way till he starts playing defense. this is not football, you cant play offense then take a break while the rest of ur team plays D. you have to have both. if a guy cant play D he shouldnt be on the floor. D wins championships, O just wins games. so if DOM can always play good D but cant score as good as caron, but will make the extra pass to get it to someone who can and can sit on the bench.. why is it then when guys play good O but cant play a lick of D they get 30 min a game? it doesnt make sense. not to mention if flip were to let Dom shoot 20 times a game he would probably score more than gil has been scoring so far. its not like we&#8217;d be missing anything. and if nick shoots 20x a game he&#8217;d definitely score more than 18 points. </p>
<p>I think we need change on this team and i dont mean take out one player and leave the 3 guys causing the most problems on the floor in differnt positions.  GIl and caron need to come off the bench. That is the best way to make sure guys check their ego&#8217;s at the door. nothingg more humbling than benching your so called &#8220;star&#8221; player. The only reason i dont also say bench twaan is because at least he attempts to play defense. he is not quick, and is not a high jumper, and is not as big as some other bigs, so its harder for him to go up against players like duncan or josh smith. but he gives 100% every game. </p>
<p>right now twaan and haywood are the only startes deserving of the title. i would include miller but he&#8217;s hurt. </p>
<p>so for the starting lineup i would pick</p>
<p>1. foye or boykins<br />
2. nick young<br />
3. dom<br />
4. twaan or blatche i&#8217;d split the time evenly between these two<br />
5. haywood</p>
<p>6. blatche<br />
7. mcgee<br />
8. caron<br />
9. arenas</p>
<p>that would humble these guys with &#8220;hidden agendas&#8221; and &#8220;egos&#8221;<br />
9.</p>
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		<title>By: wizards_fusion</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ gbkdc

part of the blame with caron&#039;s struggles is toward flip saunders.  he is NOT running plays to get caron into positions on the court where he&#039;s comfortable taking those jumpshots.  at least eddie jordan knows where caron&#039;s sweetspots are and gets him the ball in those situations.

caron has to create way too much for a guy that&#039;s not good at creating his own shot - thus, the turnovers.

caron is playing hard as usual, but he has no flow or rhythm with the game.  it is hard to make baskets when your body cant get with the program.  it is even harder to play basketball when there are so many distractions and backtalking and expectations hanging on everyone&#039;s heads right now.

@ W4L

i&#039;m going to help you out with a subliminal message to the Wiz players

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ gbkdc</p>
<p>part of the blame with caron&#8217;s struggles is toward flip saunders.  he is NOT running plays to get caron into positions on the court where he&#8217;s comfortable taking those jumpshots.  at least eddie jordan knows where caron&#8217;s sweetspots are and gets him the ball in those situations.</p>
<p>caron has to create way too much for a guy that&#8217;s not good at creating his own shot &#8211; thus, the turnovers.</p>
<p>caron is playing hard as usual, but he has no flow or rhythm with the game.  it is hard to make baskets when your body cant get with the program.  it is even harder to play basketball when there are so many distractions and backtalking and expectations hanging on everyone&#8217;s heads right now.</p>
<p>@ W4L</p>
<p>i&#8217;m going to help you out with a subliminal message to the Wiz players</p>
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		<title>By: Wizfan4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only someone would show these blog posts to the Wizards players during practice today.......That way they could see how frustrated some of the fans are right now.  Maybe that would motivate the players to change some things on how they play!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only someone would show these blog posts to the Wizards players during practice today&#8230;&#8230;.That way they could see how frustrated some of the fans are right now.  Maybe that would motivate the players to change some things on how they play!</p>
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		<title>By: Wizfan4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Miller out as well, you can expect the Wizards to have difficulty making 3 pointers and free throws</description>
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		<title>By: Wizfan4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing about the Wizards that is very frustrating to me so far is how many fouls they have per game.....Oberto for example, averages a little more than 3 personal fouls a game, yet only plays less than 20 minutes!  That is absurd!!  Also, Haywood, our top defensive player right now, is averaging 3 fouls a games as well!!  How do we expect to have solid defense if we keep getting guys that have 4,5, or 6 fouls a night??  Surprisingly, our opponents have averaged 22.5 fouls a night, while we have averaged 21.8.......I would love to see a statistic though that shows when those fouls occurred and how many were silly fouls......if there was such a stat, ours would be very bad!!! also, our team is averaging 74.8% from the free throw line.....I am sorry but that is just garbage!!!  Even New Jersey and New York are averaging better free throw percentages than the Wizards right now, in my opinion that is just sad.....most of the problems though can be attributed to Gils horrible free throw percentage though, because he is averaging a low 73.6%......that said, there is no excuse in my opinion for players to do poorly on free throws....free throws can win games</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing about the Wizards that is very frustrating to me so far is how many fouls they have per game&#8230;..Oberto for example, averages a little more than 3 personal fouls a game, yet only plays less than 20 minutes!  That is absurd!!  Also, Haywood, our top defensive player right now, is averaging 3 fouls a games as well!!  How do we expect to have solid defense if we keep getting guys that have 4,5, or 6 fouls a night??  Surprisingly, our opponents have averaged 22.5 fouls a night, while we have averaged 21.8&#8230;&#8230;.I would love to see a statistic though that shows when those fouls occurred and how many were silly fouls&#8230;&#8230;if there was such a stat, ours would be very bad!!! also, our team is averaging 74.8% from the free throw line&#8230;..I am sorry but that is just garbage!!!  Even New Jersey and New York are averaging better free throw percentages than the Wizards right now, in my opinion that is just sad&#8230;..most of the problems though can be attributed to Gils horrible free throw percentage though, because he is averaging a low 73.6%&#8230;&#8230;that said, there is no excuse in my opinion for players to do poorly on free throws&#8230;.free throws can win games</p>
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		<title>By: gbkdc</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a mess.  

I am glad I missed the Spurs game.  I have been reading everyone&#039;s comments, and I only have one thing to add.

I realize that Caron has not been playing that well this year, but I do believe that he can change.  Caron seems willing to do whatever is asked of him by Flip, and he has always seemed like a team-first kind of guy.  Gil, on the other hand, I&#039;m not so sure about.  I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is to give Caron a chance.  He probably knows he is not playing well, and he will probably take whatever suggestions Flip hands him into consideration, and will try his best to do what is asked of him.  He seems to have the right attitude, even if his game is off right now.  To me, that means there is hope for him to get it together.  It might not happen right away, though.  All the pieces are out of order right now anyway.  

I&#039;m curious to know what happened to TOM?  What do you think, Tom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a mess.  </p>
<p>I am glad I missed the Spurs game.  I have been reading everyone&#8217;s comments, and I only have one thing to add.</p>
<p>I realize that Caron has not been playing that well this year, but I do believe that he can change.  Caron seems willing to do whatever is asked of him by Flip, and he has always seemed like a team-first kind of guy.  Gil, on the other hand, I&#8217;m not so sure about.  I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is to give Caron a chance.  He probably knows he is not playing well, and he will probably take whatever suggestions Flip hands him into consideration, and will try his best to do what is asked of him.  He seems to have the right attitude, even if his game is off right now.  To me, that means there is hope for him to get it together.  It might not happen right away, though.  All the pieces are out of order right now anyway.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to know what happened to TOM?  What do you think, Tom?</p>
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		<title>By: gray16</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can arenas go back to his old ways when he&#039;s not doing anything different now? he&#039;s still putting up 19 fga (in 6 less minutes than his 05-06 season), he&#039;s still putting up 5 3s per game, i don&#039;t see much of a difference? the only difference is he was making shots back then that he&#039;s missing now. if he&#039;s saying he&#039;s gonna start making them, be my guest agent zero lol

as far as starting caron over antawn, i see your point about the defense, but that hasn&#039;t been the problem in the starts. i think if you are going to have twan coming off the bench, the starts will go right back to being horrid, and the wizards will still be playing catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can arenas go back to his old ways when he&#8217;s not doing anything different now? he&#8217;s still putting up 19 fga (in 6 less minutes than his 05-06 season), he&#8217;s still putting up 5 3s per game, i don&#8217;t see much of a difference? the only difference is he was making shots back then that he&#8217;s missing now. if he&#8217;s saying he&#8217;s gonna start making them, be my guest agent zero lol</p>
<p>as far as starting caron over antawn, i see your point about the defense, but that hasn&#8217;t been the problem in the starts. i think if you are going to have twan coming off the bench, the starts will go right back to being horrid, and the wizards will still be playing catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: wizards_fusion</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this yapping from 2 guys that actually like each other in the locker room is problematic.  

Haywood&#039;s mouth is more refined - he actually thinks through about the situation and tells it as it is.  Haywood cares to win as a team and cares very little about individual statistical glory.  However, this season is somewhat complex for Brendan because he is trying to maximize his stats to get a $$ long-term contract.  You can call it the &quot;Tim Thomas rule&quot;.  I can&#039;t completely agree with what Haywood says but I know where he&#039;s coming from.

Arenas, on the other hand, just fires comments to get HIS theories out in the open - which is typically going to irk most everyone involved.  Arenas doesn&#039;t care about the emotions of the players around him - he&#039;s egocentric and it was obvious from his latter days in Golden State.  WAS fans gave him a pass because he did come in and made Bullets/Wizards basketball somewhat relevant again.  However, he treats his teammates like robots and wants to be worshipped as the alpha dog in the league when he only helped guide the team to 45 wins - an average standing at best.  It seems like day-in-and-day-out, the drama of Arenas is parallelling with the Iverson saga.  And as we see right now, the AI story doesn&#039;t end well.  Oh, and guess what – Arenas’ current contract ends at about the same age as Iverson’s …

I&#039;m very sure that Arenas is NOT buying into anything Flip is selling because the team is 3-9.  Arenas, as he has all his basketball life, thinks he needs to carry his team and control everything from his position.  Haywood knows this will lead down a path for disaster (UNC always preached team – even during the Jordan days), but Gil doesn&#039;t know any other way.  Gil is trying to be like Wade, Kobe, and LeBron - 3 guys that can carry teams, but Gil is not good enough to do so.  He&#039;s blinded by his own limitations.  And when he steps back and sees the situation worsening, he believes it is all on him to right the ship.

What I fear is that if the Wiz goes back to their winning ways, all this back-and-forth will be brushed under the mat.  These problems never go away and will always rear its ugly head when another losing streak pops up.  Flip and his staff are in a no-win situation at the moment.  If Flip decides to bench any of the Big 3 for reasons other than if he&#039;s injured and the team continues to lose, Ernie is going to put him on a short leash like he did with the Eddie Jordan fiasco.  If Flip doesn&#039;t bench the Big 3, someone from that group will continue to undermine the team (either with Gil going 1 at 5 or Caron racking up more turnovers per game than points or whatever) and the Wiz will be no better off this season than last year.

On Tuesday night, watch Arenas take 40 shots because he wants to show his old boss that he’s an alpha dog.  Gil will get his stats.  If this happens, watch the Wiz lose to the 76ers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this yapping from 2 guys that actually like each other in the locker room is problematic.  </p>
<p>Haywood&#8217;s mouth is more refined &#8211; he actually thinks through about the situation and tells it as it is.  Haywood cares to win as a team and cares very little about individual statistical glory.  However, this season is somewhat complex for Brendan because he is trying to maximize his stats to get a $$ long-term contract.  You can call it the &#8220;Tim Thomas rule&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t completely agree with what Haywood says but I know where he&#8217;s coming from.</p>
<p>Arenas, on the other hand, just fires comments to get HIS theories out in the open &#8211; which is typically going to irk most everyone involved.  Arenas doesn&#8217;t care about the emotions of the players around him &#8211; he&#8217;s egocentric and it was obvious from his latter days in Golden State.  WAS fans gave him a pass because he did come in and made Bullets/Wizards basketball somewhat relevant again.  However, he treats his teammates like robots and wants to be worshipped as the alpha dog in the league when he only helped guide the team to 45 wins &#8211; an average standing at best.  It seems like day-in-and-day-out, the drama of Arenas is parallelling with the Iverson saga.  And as we see right now, the AI story doesn&#8217;t end well.  Oh, and guess what – Arenas’ current contract ends at about the same age as Iverson’s …</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very sure that Arenas is NOT buying into anything Flip is selling because the team is 3-9.  Arenas, as he has all his basketball life, thinks he needs to carry his team and control everything from his position.  Haywood knows this will lead down a path for disaster (UNC always preached team – even during the Jordan days), but Gil doesn&#8217;t know any other way.  Gil is trying to be like Wade, Kobe, and LeBron &#8211; 3 guys that can carry teams, but Gil is not good enough to do so.  He&#8217;s blinded by his own limitations.  And when he steps back and sees the situation worsening, he believes it is all on him to right the ship.</p>
<p>What I fear is that if the Wiz goes back to their winning ways, all this back-and-forth will be brushed under the mat.  These problems never go away and will always rear its ugly head when another losing streak pops up.  Flip and his staff are in a no-win situation at the moment.  If Flip decides to bench any of the Big 3 for reasons other than if he&#8217;s injured and the team continues to lose, Ernie is going to put him on a short leash like he did with the Eddie Jordan fiasco.  If Flip doesn&#8217;t bench the Big 3, someone from that group will continue to undermine the team (either with Gil going 1 at 5 or Caron racking up more turnovers per game than points or whatever) and the Wiz will be no better off this season than last year.</p>
<p>On Tuesday night, watch Arenas take 40 shots because he wants to show his old boss that he’s an alpha dog.  Gil will get his stats.  If this happens, watch the Wiz lose to the 76ers.</p>
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