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		<title>By: doclinkin</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwizardsblog.com/2008/09/28/training-camps-day-2-practice-1-and-only/comment-page-3/#comment-46303</link>
		<dc:creator>doclinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we trade Thomas (or anyone else), we get other players, not space under the luxury tax&quot;

Nope, if we traded him for a player with one year under his deal (like Ben Gordon, who has an Etan-equivalent contract with the one-year qualifying offer) we&#039;d get out from under the contract one year early and pick up a volume scorer in a year when Gil is out.

Granted, we may stunt the growth of Nick Young, and all the other arguments that applied on the Juan Dixon pick-up.  But if Juan Dixon was our stop-gap for Gilbert&#039;s absence, Ben Gordon is a better player.  And in this offense he&#039;d be really nasty, hard to stop.

The real question is how he&#039;d co-exist with Gil for even a brief time, considering Gil badmouthed him on the contract deal -- and worse yet turned out to be right.   But fellow UConn product Caron would be a fine Big Brother for lil&#039; Ben.  

Not that this is the only deal possible.  Just saying:  I&#039;m pretty sure Etan will show enough that his contract isn&#039;t the impediment for a deal that it used to have been.   And I&#039;m pretty sure there will be decent offers this year for it.   Ernie may have the luxury of turning down deals instead of trying to include him in various packages.

And again, I&#039;m not trying to sell the guy myself, just saying since that&#039;s what the buzz was in the past (dealing Etan) it occurs to me that Big Poet will begin to attract attention if he plays well, and may make Ernie consider the good deals he can get.

Etan has played well against:   
Miami.  
Chicago (a 20 pt game in that post-season series win, IIRC -- which led to the blow-up/protest/bellyache/benching by the KFB).
Houston (once blocking Yao 3 or 4 times in a game)

Other teams that need a burly center, or whose playstyle fits Etan&#039;s metier:
Atlanta
San Antonio 

And the only reason why I consider the question, instead of advocating against it, is that Etan lacks a handle/passing/face-up game which mean that his utility in the offense is lowered.  No big deal, but it means about half the playbook is eliminated, and guards/mids/wing players who thrive with nobody in the paint have slightly reduced effectiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we trade Thomas (or anyone else), we get other players, not space under the luxury tax&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, if we traded him for a player with one year under his deal (like Ben Gordon, who has an Etan-equivalent contract with the one-year qualifying offer) we&#8217;d get out from under the contract one year early and pick up a volume scorer in a year when Gil is out.</p>
<p>Granted, we may stunt the growth of Nick Young, and all the other arguments that applied on the Juan Dixon pick-up.  But if Juan Dixon was our stop-gap for Gilbert&#8217;s absence, Ben Gordon is a better player.  And in this offense he&#8217;d be really nasty, hard to stop.</p>
<p>The real question is how he&#8217;d co-exist with Gil for even a brief time, considering Gil badmouthed him on the contract deal &#8212; and worse yet turned out to be right.   But fellow UConn product Caron would be a fine Big Brother for lil&#8217; Ben.  </p>
<p>Not that this is the only deal possible.  Just saying:  I&#8217;m pretty sure Etan will show enough that his contract isn&#8217;t the impediment for a deal that it used to have been.   And I&#8217;m pretty sure there will be decent offers this year for it.   Ernie may have the luxury of turning down deals instead of trying to include him in various packages.</p>
<p>And again, I&#8217;m not trying to sell the guy myself, just saying since that&#8217;s what the buzz was in the past (dealing Etan) it occurs to me that Big Poet will begin to attract attention if he plays well, and may make Ernie consider the good deals he can get.</p>
<p>Etan has played well against:<br />
Miami.<br />
Chicago (a 20 pt game in that post-season series win, IIRC &#8212; which led to the blow-up/protest/bellyache/benching by the KFB).<br />
Houston (once blocking Yao 3 or 4 times in a game)</p>
<p>Other teams that need a burly center, or whose playstyle fits Etan&#8217;s metier:<br />
Atlanta<br />
San Antonio </p>
<p>And the only reason why I consider the question, instead of advocating against it, is that Etan lacks a handle/passing/face-up game which mean that his utility in the offense is lowered.  No big deal, but it means about half the playbook is eliminated, and guards/mids/wing players who thrive with nobody in the paint have slightly reduced effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridge</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any Songalia supporters out there?&quot; - - - dmac

Like neal, I&#039;m also a huge D-Song supporter...he&#039;s just fun to watch and (in my opinion) his defense is SOLID; best on the team - people just don&#039;t notice because he&#039;s not out there as much.  It&#039;s just like Pech - how would we really be able to judge him as a player before seeing what he&#039;s really about?  But yeah, D-Song supporter here and proud to be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any Songalia supporters out there?&#8221; &#8211; - &#8211; dmac</p>
<p>Like neal, I&#8217;m also a huge D-Song supporter&#8230;he&#8217;s just fun to watch and (in my opinion) his defense is SOLID; best on the team &#8211; people just don&#8217;t notice because he&#8217;s not out there as much.  It&#8217;s just like Pech &#8211; how would we really be able to judge him as a player before seeing what he&#8217;s really about?  But yeah, D-Song supporter here and proud to be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we trade Thomas (or anyone else), we get other players, not space under the luxury tax.  And who are we going to get that will be in our long-term plans at that price?  EG has been trying to pull off such a trade for over a year.  Best thing is to let Etan play out his contract and then use the money (or what&#039;s left of the money if we resign Etan for less) to sign someone better.

Jamison committed 3.0 PF per 48 minutes last year.  That surely is below average.  Songaila committed 6.3.  That surely is above average.  Blatche committed 7.4.  That must be the most in the league.  I presume that will improve this year.  If not, he&#039;s a very iffy presence to have out there at critical times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we trade Thomas (or anyone else), we get other players, not space under the luxury tax.  And who are we going to get that will be in our long-term plans at that price?  EG has been trying to pull off such a trade for over a year.  Best thing is to let Etan play out his contract and then use the money (or what&#8217;s left of the money if we resign Etan for less) to sign someone better.</p>
<p>Jamison committed 3.0 PF per 48 minutes last year.  That surely is below average.  Songaila committed 6.3.  That surely is above average.  Blatche committed 7.4.  That must be the most in the league.  I presume that will improve this year.  If not, he&#8217;s a very iffy presence to have out there at critical times.</p>
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		<title>By: doclinkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>doclinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justification for Ben Gordon:

On a one-year rental, as chuckers go, he&#039;s a waaay better version of Juan Dixon.  

We drop Etan&#039;s salary a year early and duck salary cap woes that have hampered us in free agency.  

We lose a surplus Big, ensuring that our Best Big (Haywood) gets closer to the optimal ~30 mins a game.  Interior defense is protected.  Youngsters have a chance to earn minutes.  Etan&#039;s game is a net positive, but ultimately sub-optimal for the offense.

Not a strong argument, but there were a ton of interesting offseason players this year that I would love if the Wiz could have bid on.  if we&#039;d had that 6 million dollars, maybe we could have landed Josh Childress for instance (perfect Princeton role-player, fills in at 2 and three for us).  One example, only.  The question being, is back-up Big our most pressing need?  If no, how do we free space to land that need...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justification for Ben Gordon:</p>
<p>On a one-year rental, as chuckers go, he&#8217;s a waaay better version of Juan Dixon.  </p>
<p>We drop Etan&#8217;s salary a year early and duck salary cap woes that have hampered us in free agency.  </p>
<p>We lose a surplus Big, ensuring that our Best Big (Haywood) gets closer to the optimal ~30 mins a game.  Interior defense is protected.  Youngsters have a chance to earn minutes.  Etan&#8217;s game is a net positive, but ultimately sub-optimal for the offense.</p>
<p>Not a strong argument, but there were a ton of interesting offseason players this year that I would love if the Wiz could have bid on.  if we&#8217;d had that 6 million dollars, maybe we could have landed Josh Childress for instance (perfect Princeton role-player, fills in at 2 and three for us).  One example, only.  The question being, is back-up Big our most pressing need?  If no, how do we free space to land that need&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had felt that down the road that AB would be AJ&#039;s successor at the 4 spot. Doclinkin I respect your analysis of AB&#039;s strong and weak points of his game. I just feel he needs to play more to get better. I feel that AB has got to find him some pet moves from the offensive end where he is comfortable with and really work hard on them. His size and quickness and good hands would be a plus at the four. Although not as talented AB has a little young CWebb potential. What he does not have is the mean streak that CWebb had and a real aggressiveness to the boards. Maybe that is an area where he is improving in. Time will tell.
I felt that ET could be possible trade bait I just did not want to write it down because I really love the guy.
One thing I don&#039;t want to see happen is EJ be reluctant to play the young guy&#039;s more for fear of them making mistakes.  Getting these young guy&#039;s more experince is what is going to help take us over the top come playoff time. Our team has the potential to create serious matchup problems with any team in the NBA.
I like a recent quote by Jim Zorn after the Giants loss. He said to Jason Campbell that he needed to trust him more and in turn Jason said to Coach Zorn you need to trust me more as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had felt that down the road that AB would be AJ&#8217;s successor at the 4 spot. Doclinkin I respect your analysis of AB&#8217;s strong and weak points of his game. I just feel he needs to play more to get better. I feel that AB has got to find him some pet moves from the offensive end where he is comfortable with and really work hard on them. His size and quickness and good hands would be a plus at the four. Although not as talented AB has a little young CWebb potential. What he does not have is the mean streak that CWebb had and a real aggressiveness to the boards. Maybe that is an area where he is improving in. Time will tell.<br />
I felt that ET could be possible trade bait I just did not want to write it down because I really love the guy.<br />
One thing I don&#8217;t want to see happen is EJ be reluctant to play the young guy&#8217;s more for fear of them making mistakes.  Getting these young guy&#8217;s more experince is what is going to help take us over the top come playoff time. Our team has the potential to create serious matchup problems with any team in the NBA.<br />
I like a recent quote by Jim Zorn after the Giants loss. He said to Jason Campbell that he needed to trust him more and in turn Jason said to Coach Zorn you need to trust me more as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ricklevinenyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ricklevinenyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two points:

1) Andray&#039;s maturity.  Everyone is quick to gripe about his concentration lapses and youthful exuberance.  But let&#039;s not forget he is younger than Nick Young.  He came into the league at 18 yrs old.  I think all he really needed was to gain some upper body strength.  It looks like he is developing in that area.  I think consistency will be there this season and the Wiz absolutely need it.

2) Songaila is a solid pro.  But his contract is bigger than his game is.  So is Etan&#039;s for that matter, but until he proves he is healthy, I think Songaila is the better trade bait.  I don&#039;s see any long term benefit to keep Songaila on the Wiz given the slew of young talent.  But I can imagine other teams that would like to add him to their rosters.  Songaila for Posey?  Or a similar player would be my choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two points:</p>
<p>1) Andray&#8217;s maturity.  Everyone is quick to gripe about his concentration lapses and youthful exuberance.  But let&#8217;s not forget he is younger than Nick Young.  He came into the league at 18 yrs old.  I think all he really needed was to gain some upper body strength.  It looks like he is developing in that area.  I think consistency will be there this season and the Wiz absolutely need it.</p>
<p>2) Songaila is a solid pro.  But his contract is bigger than his game is.  So is Etan&#8217;s for that matter, but until he proves he is healthy, I think Songaila is the better trade bait.  I don&#8217;s see any long term benefit to keep Songaila on the Wiz given the slew of young talent.  But I can imagine other teams that would like to add him to their rosters.  Songaila for Posey?  Or a similar player would be my choice.</p>
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		<title>By: doclinkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>doclinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McGee was playing at power Four all summer.  As of right now he has no low-post footwork and defense skills.  And he&#039;s more comfortable in face-up skills than in the paint.  Highlights will occasionally show the wraparound and behind-the-back passes he grew up with before he hit his growth spurt, but stats will show you that didn&#039;t work out all that well in the main.  He&#039;s got unbelievable promise once his skill catches up with his talent.  But again, the true Bigs usually take a while to pan out (which bodes well for his cost when we re-sign him on the cheap and lock him up long-term to a reasonable deal).  (Hope, pray).

Javale is a project.  It will be great once he pans out, but-- three years in-- Dray is right there, right now.  He played pretty well as Big Wood&#039;s back-up last year (foul rate notwithstanding).  Once they develop to the point where they&#039;re sharing the frontcourt, that will be insanely great.  But I think Dray helps to blaze the way once he finally &#039;gets it&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGee was playing at power Four all summer.  As of right now he has no low-post footwork and defense skills.  And he&#8217;s more comfortable in face-up skills than in the paint.  Highlights will occasionally show the wraparound and behind-the-back passes he grew up with before he hit his growth spurt, but stats will show you that didn&#8217;t work out all that well in the main.  He&#8217;s got unbelievable promise once his skill catches up with his talent.  But again, the true Bigs usually take a while to pan out (which bodes well for his cost when we re-sign him on the cheap and lock him up long-term to a reasonable deal).  (Hope, pray).</p>
<p>Javale is a project.  It will be great once he pans out, but&#8211; three years in&#8211; Dray is right there, right now.  He played pretty well as Big Wood&#8217;s back-up last year (foul rate notwithstanding).  Once they develop to the point where they&#8217;re sharing the frontcourt, that will be insanely great.  But I think Dray helps to blaze the way once he finally &#8216;gets it&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Mandel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Mandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doc -- you&#039;re a poet? Click on my name.

I love Etan, but yes he could be trade bait. Eddie likes him, however.

Actually (I know I&#039;ll get grief for this) Michael Ruffin is a much better player than Darius. No, he can&#039;t shoot -- but we have *lots* of guys who can score. Everything else he does much better than Songaila.

I hope we don&#039;t trade for Ben Gordon -- he is a gunner and that&#039;s all. We don&#039;t have any need for him. Indeed, the fact that he hasn&#039;t raised any suitors or gotten any offers should indicate that the rest of the league sees him t his same way. His qual. offer is $6.5m for this year. He doesn&#039;t bring anywhere near that kind of value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doc &#8212; you&#8217;re a poet? Click on my name.</p>
<p>I love Etan, but yes he could be trade bait. Eddie likes him, however.</p>
<p>Actually (I know I&#8217;ll get grief for this) Michael Ruffin is a much better player than Darius. No, he can&#8217;t shoot &#8212; but we have *lots* of guys who can score. Everything else he does much better than Songaila.</p>
<p>I hope we don&#8217;t trade for Ben Gordon &#8212; he is a gunner and that&#8217;s all. We don&#8217;t have any need for him. Indeed, the fact that he hasn&#8217;t raised any suitors or gotten any offers should indicate that the rest of the league sees him t his same way. His qual. offer is $6.5m for this year. He doesn&#8217;t bring anywhere near that kind of value.</p>
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		<title>By: doclinkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>doclinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Songaila is the one player who can exemplify high-post Big Man play.  Plus he sets hard picks, gives good smart fouls.  I&#039;d like to keep him as a tutor for Dray.

Much as it pains me (*) I suspect Etan is the most useful trade bait -- if he demonstrates the ability to shut down Dwight Howard like he did the last couple times they played.

That version of Etan will attract interest around the league.  And his trade kicker, combined with a contract that expires next year is a good way for a team to dump 7 million dollars worth of Salary in time for the 2010 free agent market.

I also had a brief daydream that, with Gil temporarily grounded, an Etan for Ben Gordon swap might work.  Ben would get the same one-year audition that earned large money for DeSteve and Roger (and Jared Jeffries and Larry --every 2-guard who ever played in this offense).

Anyway.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to hear mid-year rumors that Big Poet is collecting interest.

(* &#039;Pains me&#039;: fellow poet, outspoken politically, he&#039;s been at rallies where my son marched and was a good guy to him, and you hear great things in the community)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Songaila is the one player who can exemplify high-post Big Man play.  Plus he sets hard picks, gives good smart fouls.  I&#8217;d like to keep him as a tutor for Dray.</p>
<p>Much as it pains me (*) I suspect Etan is the most useful trade bait &#8212; if he demonstrates the ability to shut down Dwight Howard like he did the last couple times they played.</p>
<p>That version of Etan will attract interest around the league.  And his trade kicker, combined with a contract that expires next year is a good way for a team to dump 7 million dollars worth of Salary in time for the 2010 free agent market.</p>
<p>I also had a brief daydream that, with Gil temporarily grounded, an Etan for Ben Gordon swap might work.  Ben would get the same one-year audition that earned large money for DeSteve and Roger (and Jared Jeffries and Larry &#8211;every 2-guard who ever played in this offense).</p>
<p>Anyway.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to hear mid-year rumors that Big Poet is collecting interest.</p>
<p>(* &#8216;Pains me&#8217;: fellow poet, outspoken politically, he&#8217;s been at rallies where my son marched and was a good guy to him, and you hear great things in the community)</p>
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		<title>By: neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, dmac, I&#039;m a Songaila supporter.  He&#039;s a good shooter and HUSTLES ON BOTH ENDS.  He&#039;s a graduate of the Michael Ruffin Pushem Shovem Bumpem Hackem School of Defense.  I doubt many of his men ever get comfortable and have good games against him.  The downside, of course, is a lot of fouls.

Having said that, Jordan has a real dilemma, as doclinkin says.  I presume that the 15 guys with guaranteed money will be the ones on the final roster.  And I presume that McGuire will be the backup to Butler.  If Blatche continues to mature he&#039;ll be the primary backup to Songaila, I suppose, in spite of occasional youthful mistakes, and in spite of what I said about Songaila.

That leaves Songaila and Pecherov as potential trade bait.  But I would be greatly surprised if Grunfeld could get equal or better value.  And what position would he be looking to improve?  PG?

I hear what you&#039;re saying doclinkin, but I think McGee is seen as the C of the future.  He could likely fill the role you&#039;re talking about, although we haven&#039;t yet seen whether he has the court vision to pass like we&#039;ve seen Blatche do at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, dmac, I&#8217;m a Songaila supporter.  He&#8217;s a good shooter and HUSTLES ON BOTH ENDS.  He&#8217;s a graduate of the Michael Ruffin Pushem Shovem Bumpem Hackem School of Defense.  I doubt many of his men ever get comfortable and have good games against him.  The downside, of course, is a lot of fouls.</p>
<p>Having said that, Jordan has a real dilemma, as doclinkin says.  I presume that the 15 guys with guaranteed money will be the ones on the final roster.  And I presume that McGuire will be the backup to Butler.  If Blatche continues to mature he&#8217;ll be the primary backup to Songaila, I suppose, in spite of occasional youthful mistakes, and in spite of what I said about Songaila.</p>
<p>That leaves Songaila and Pecherov as potential trade bait.  But I would be greatly surprised if Grunfeld could get equal or better value.  And what position would he be looking to improve?  PG?</p>
<p>I hear what you&#8217;re saying doclinkin, but I think McGee is seen as the C of the future.  He could likely fill the role you&#8217;re talking about, although we haven&#8217;t yet seen whether he has the court vision to pass like we&#8217;ve seen Blatche do at times.</p>
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