NAVARRO APPARENTLY A FREE MAN
Now you know why “never say never”* is something to live by.
Last week, when asked about Navarro’s contract situation during his pre-draft talk with the media, Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld wasn’t optimistic about Juan Carlos Navarro being able negotiate a buyout with his team in Europe but did say “you can’t rule anything out”.
That didn’t take long.
According to FC Barcelona’s official website, the team and Navarro “have come to an agreement to negotiate a move for the player to the NBA.”
“I am very happy with the facilities that the club has given me and especially President Joan Laporta for allowing me to make my dream come true and play in the NBA,” Navarro said in a statement released by the European powerhouse.
Several US based online sources, including the Washington Post and DraftExpress also discuss the latest developments surrounding the Wizards’ 2002 second-round pick. NEW: The Post is reporting in their Thursday edition that several teams are interested in acquiring Navarro.
Feel free to move the Navarro talk from the Free Agency Thread to this new one.
More to come, I’m sure…
Posted: July 4th, 2007 under Free Agency/Trades, Wizards.
Comments
Comment from WizardsDotCom
Time July 4, 2007 at 10:38 AM
skins07 – i like your thinking. The question is, is that enough for MEM to accept? My guess would be no…
Comment from kg
Time July 4, 2007 at 10:40 AM
I’ve been trying to stay out of this but can’t keep my hands off.This is what I want to see next year.
G: Gilbert Arenas, Juan Carlos Navarro, Nick Young, Deshawn Stevenson, Roger Mason Jr.
F: Caron Butler, Antawn Jamaison, Andre Blatche, Darius Songaila, Jarvis Hayes, Pecherov
C: Paul Gasol, Etan Thomas, Calvin Booth, Michael Ruffin
If we can trade Gasol for AD and Haywood. I don’t want neither KG nor J O’Neil because I don’t want to split up Big Three.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 10:48 AM
WizardsDotCom, i think it would be enough AD + Etan or Brendan + Our Two Draft Picks in Next Years Draft if not we can also throw in Darius Songaila
Next Roster Would Be:
PG: Arenas, Juan Carlos Navarro, Roger Mason Jr.
SG: Stevenson, Nick Young, Rojer Mason Jr.
SF: Butler, Blatche, McGuire
PF: Jamison, Pech, Micheal Ruffin
C: Pau Gasol, Etan, Calvin Booth
Pech may play occasional minutes at the Center and Blatch at the PF
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 10:50 AM
we may keep Donell Taylor so he can Play Some Minutes at the SG instead of Roger Mason Jr.
Comment from Nara
Time July 4, 2007 at 11:31 AM
I’m doubting that’ll be enough for memphis. They’ll probably want caron or antwan because we won’t get a high pick in the drafts for it to be a good compensation. Unless Pau explicitly tells them that he won’t play for Memphis and wants to be traded to the wizards… I don’t know the feasibility of Pau coming over w/o breaking up the big 3.
Comment from FLOYDBT
Time July 4, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Im not liking this it said in the article that if the wizards decide 2 take deshawn over joan carlos then he can leave to any other team……………..but that trade should work the AD,BRENDAN,AND THE TWO DRAFT PICKS FOR GASOL…….i mean if we had gasol WOW imediate contenders also would want to keep gilbert around for sure knowing the team has the chance to go some were!!!!!!!!!!!
Line Up!!!!!!!!
Guard-Gilbert,Joan Carlos
SG-Deshawn,nick young,roger mason jr.
SF-Caron,Blatch,Mcguire
PF-Antawn,songaila,pech,blatch
C-Gasol,Etan,Calvin,Pech
Comment from WizardsDotCom
Time July 4, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Floyd – Gasol would probably have to force MEM’s hand to trade him. Plus, remember that CHI was contemplating Deng and a player (can’t remember who) last winter for Gasol. I think that’s something MEM would consider before the scenarios mentioned in this thread. Remember, Gasol is one of the most coveted big forwards in the league – you’re gonna have to give up something sweet to get him. Just because the salaries work doesn’t mean it’s realistic.
Comment from Wizards4Life
Time July 4, 2007 at 1:14 PM
yeah i am with you all i wish we could get Gasol but i have to agree with wiz.com and say its probably not going to happen! but EG has probably already put his calls in on that and many other options by now so we need to keep our heads up because you never know what EG is going to do case in point he said that JCN would not be a wizard this year and yet we can get him over now so….. you get the point!
Comment from BruceO
Time July 4, 2007 at 1:15 PM
Yeah I wish he forces their hand. I’m really excited about this season too. WE should try and get gasol hes a solid 20-10 guy and he can deal with the likes of tim duncan according to wages of wins he should be above a 0.2 meaning a perfect player for his position and kill most of the east. I also like some of the possible gets from summer league. Visser might become really solid, leon rodgers looks like a solid scorer, jared homan might be our new and improved ruffing and alleyne was underused in college.
Line up
guard- arenas, juan carlos
Sg- deshawn, young, rodgers, mason jr
SF- caron, blatche, mcguire
PF- antawn, songaila, pech, visser
C- gasol,
I think gasol’s salary is 12M meaning giving up the two C’s and 2 draft picks or one C, AD + draft picks should cover it. I wonder what picking conley jr said about their future plans
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 1:38 PM
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/20070704/NOTICIA357002212.html
Basically says there’s some sort of pre-arranged deal to send him and sign with Memphis. I think the Spanish newspapers are jumping the gun a bit here.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 1:42 PM
plus i believe that we would be able to get pau i believe that he would be pushing Memphis to come play for the Wiz and his good friend!!! as long as we keep the big 3 and JCN, Pech, Blatch we can trade anyone else for Pau including draft picks
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 4, 2007 at 1:50 PM
I love these ideas where we put all our problems in a package and Memphis wants to take them and give up one of the top players in the league for them too. Oh, right….
We don’t have a likely shot at Gasol, but I wonder whether we have a shot at LaMarcus Aldridge? It’ll only happen if Portland gm Kevin Pritchard is looking for some veteran help and soon-to-expire contracts to balance out his team. Even then, we might have to take back Darius Miles, who is not someone we want, along w/ Aldridge.
We have 4 guys to bring in right now — Pecherov, Navarro, Young and McGuire. We can bring them in easily enough by letting go of Mason, Taylor, Stevenson and Ruffin (keeping Hayes because someone has to start at the 2, and it ain’t gonna be a rookie).
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 1:59 PM
but if we were to trade the rights of navarro im not reccominding it but who do you think we could get??? especially if we trade the rights to the Griz they have nobody we want other than Pau
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM
and i just read an artical and Chicago is trying to get Gasol again.. this time they are offering Joakim Noah, Nocioni and Duhon…i still believe that AD is better than Duhon but then were stuck they have a better proposal then ours…we better look at camby or aldridge
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nba
theres..the site it also has other NBA rumors
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Miles comes with 3 more years of salary — a total of $26.3m. Portland would do *a lot* to dump that salary and get the last guy from the old regime out of town! But would we be willing to eat it in order to get Aldridge (who gets $4.3m this year)?
They’d need to take at least 85% of their players combined ’07-08 salary ($12.6m) in Wizards salary. How would we do that? We’d give them Daniels ($5.8m) and Haywood ($5m). The $$$ works out. Maybe for the trade to work out, they’d want next year’s #1 as well.
Their upside is that they get a quality backup point guard, which they need. They get a veteran back up center, which they don’t really need. They get another 1st round pick next year — which they can use or trade. They get rid of Darius Miles’s salary. Our upside is that we get a terrific young big guy and get rid of a problem player.
Their downside is that they lose a terrific young player. Our downside is that we lose a 1st round pick, take on a big salary for several years in a guy we don’t want, and give up a proven backup point guard.
Note on the salary front: with Antawn’s salary expiring this year, we only have one painful salary year — this year.
Eric — what’s Ernie’s email address? I think this trade might actually have legs.
Comment from Wizards4Life
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:37 PM
lol can we do two trades and unload the big money miles guy that we have no use for ?
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:41 PM
What makes the trade work is that *no one* else is going to take Miles.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:41 PM
we do not need Darius Miles…cant we just trade Brendan or AD plus they first ound draft pick
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Another comment of mine — suggesting a possible trade w/ the Jazz didn’t get picked up. they need a backup point; what do they have that we need? Okur, but would they trade him?
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:43 PM
People have suggested the Nuggets’ center — Camby. But… he was born in early ’74. Too old for us?
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:44 PM
can we getr Nene Hilario from the nuggets i think he is better than BRendan and Etan
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:45 PM
we could try getting Brad Miller or Okur…but it doesnt seem as Cmaby is to old because he won the DOP
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:47 PM
would anyone like Emeka Okafur hes averages 14.4 PPG and 11.3 RPG
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:48 PM
or even Tyson Chandler he averages 10 PPG 12.4 RPG 1.8 BPG
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:50 PM
even a samuel Dalembert he’s a 10-10 guy and 2 BPG
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 2:53 PM
these are all good guys i wouldnt mind to have and most of them dont have the value of Pau
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 3:14 PM
and if we trade the rights to juan carlos navarro i think we should make them take Etans ugly contract
Comment from wizfan4sure
Time July 4, 2007 at 4:39 PM
The only two things that I want to say are;
Now that we waited 5 years and Juan Carlos Navarro is finally available, the Wizards better not let him go to another team. If they do fumble and let him go to say the Grizz, then the Wiz need to be properly compensated and should get a good player back (like Kyle Lowry) and their number 1 draft pick next year.
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 4, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Since we have Juan Carlos in the team we dont need A.D so . Why Dont we trade A.Jamison and A.D + future 2nd rd pick to Mem for Pau Gasol? We have to give up one of the Big3 to get another onw. We have Pech and A.Blatche. Then we can resign D.Shawn for SG. Also, i think we will be good with salary cap. Next year Juan Carlos will get the Sixth Man Award. Sign undraft Kyle Visser and Lee Humphrey.
Comment from stevevu
Time July 4, 2007 at 4:55 PM
lets just hope that pao demands a trade to be united with his friend. the only problem is that i don’t really know if juan can play well enough to be as good as AD as a backup if they trade AD.
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 4, 2007 at 4:56 PM
I would give up one of the big 3 for Pau Gasol, cause I know what can he bring for us like the BIG3.
we will have
G.Arenas
D.Stevenson
C.Butlar
O.Pech
P.Gasol
for 1st line up.
Juan Carlos
Nick Young
Dominic McGuire
A.Blatche
Kyle Visser
for 2nd line up.
So what the Wizards? = Championship contender?
Comment from WizDom
Time July 4, 2007 at 5:11 PM
wiz-skins07, Memphis has some good players we can take beside Pau.
Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay, Hakim Warrick are some to look at.
Comment from Reuben
Time July 4, 2007 at 5:50 PM
I DONT think we should keep DeShawn he always messes up at the end of the Game. The lineup should look like this:
Gilbert,Juan Carlos,Nick Young,Caron,Donell, Lee Humphrey,Pech,Twan,Blatche,Songaila,Pau,Etan,Dominic McGuire,Kyle Visser,Rudy Gay
Comment from Reuben
Time July 4, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Sorry the spacing got messed up
Comment from WizDom
Time July 4, 2007 at 6:07 PM
Um.. Reuben, how did we get Pau Gasol and Rudy Gay without giving up anything? 
Comment from Reuben
Time July 4, 2007 at 6:30 PM
We would give up Calvin, Antonio, Roger,Brendan,and Mike hall
Comment from WizDom
Time July 4, 2007 at 7:06 PM
oh.. I see.. we’re getting ripped off!
Comment from floydanthony
Time July 4, 2007 at 7:37 PM
carlos sizn him now!!! let brendon & deshawn booth haynes leave!! sizn arnas & andray asap don,t let the hit the market for 1 day !! these two guys need to be sizned!!!!!!!!
Comment from WizDom
Time July 4, 2007 at 7:40 PM
Rumor has it that we’re trading Etan and Navarro for Posey?!
hmm…
Comment from Wizards4Life
Time July 4, 2007 at 7:54 PM
i dont like that deal but what ever EG thinks is best
Comment from DaWizKid
Time July 4, 2007 at 8:23 PM
WizDom Says: “Rumor has it that we’re trading Etan and Navarro for Posey?”
I read that report as well. I hope it’s a bogus report, but if it’s not it wouldn’t be suprising. Washington Sport Franchises (Wizards, Redskins, Capitals) seem to make the worst phucking trades in the past. To hold Navarro’s rights since 2002, allow him to develop into a perimeter threat and top 5 international player, only to aquire him and immediately sign & trade him for Posey would be a very dumb move. We the least productive bench last year, we desperately need some bench scoring and Navarro would provide that.
Comment from Centennial Park
Time July 4, 2007 at 8:24 PM
Etan and Navarro for Posey? Oh, HECK NO!! That is not a good move! Posey is not a player that is worth giving up Navarro in a straight up trade even! That would make me }:\
Comment from Centennial Park
Time July 4, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Here is an article from draft express.
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2160
Seems to me that the Posey deal is nothing but a bunch of hooey.
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 4, 2007 at 9:27 PM
If we were trading Etan and the rights to navarro for James Posey (who btw is a free agent, so how do you trade for him?), it would be in order to dump Etan’s contract.
I’m sure Ernie isn’t going to make a dumb trade.
Comment from Centennial Park
Time July 4, 2007 at 9:34 PM
‘Tis a heavy price to pay to dump a contract. Oh well……
Comment from WizardsDotCom
Time July 4, 2007 at 10:10 PM
TM – Posey could be dealt via sign-and-trade but he’d have to agree to the new destination.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 11:48 PM
do you think we can trade etan plus rights to JCN for Mike Conley Jr.
Comment from Wizards4Life
Time July 4, 2007 at 11:49 PM
so we unload alot of $$$$ and take on a little 2$ player and then go big in the free agent market ? or we looking to sign and trade Posey? this is got me lost on what we are doing but i know its under control just hope we get what we need soon
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 4, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Welcome Mr. Navarro! A true point guard, and, a 40% career 3 point shooter. Along with Mr. Young, the 2nd unit this year should be pretty awesome. We have waited 5 years for Mr. Navarro, it’s pretty unlikely, imo, that we will let him go easily. To be honest, I hope we aren’t even considering it. My biggest hope is that Kyle Visser comes up big in the summer league. And… who is that 7′ 3″ guy??? It should be a wild summer league. A lot of good players on our roster this time. I believe all games are going to be broadcast on CSN this year too!
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 11:54 PM
but over all i think we should keep JCN unless we get an offer that is to tempting and we cannot deny…but not for posey…i mean come on no offense but, EG wat are you smoking??? do u fell ill??? we might as well just get him in free agency over deshawn…yes he has great defense…but isnt that why we drafted McGuire??? do you think the wiz shouuld go after emeka okafor after all Jordan is that teams GM and who draft JCN??? emeka is a 14.4 PPG 11.3 RPG 2 BPG
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:00 AM
yes i also hope we arent even considering trading JCN…but what ive been reading some fans do…what do you think we would give up for okafor??? brendan a UNC guy which Jordan seem to love anyone from UNC…Darius Songaila and our 1st or 2nd rounder in next years draft
do think it’ll do the trick??
Brendan + Darius + A Pick In Next Years Draft
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:00 AM
The Posey deal might be smoke and mirrors… Memphis wants JCN and might be willing to give up enough to get him…
Lowry for Etan and JCN?.. and maybe an option to swap 08′s picks…
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:05 AM
Hey Guys… TM, Eric, WD et al
Is Mr. Navarro still held by NBA rules for a rookies salary? Is it a 3 year controled thing like as if we had drafted him this year? I’m lousy at the financial end of sports!
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:13 AM
something to consider financially, I’f I’m right. No guarantee of that though lol.
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:18 AM
I believe its no.. he was picked in the 2nd round… so no rookie salary scale in affect here…
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:19 AM
after thinking it through i think we should trade JCN…do you know how much fire power this team would have…we would have the best offense in the NBA…JCN can be our Barbosa or maybe even better Sixth Man of the Year…if we make any moves i think it should be to get Emeka Okafor…he’s a 14 PPG – 11 RPG guy and he has good defense i believe we would be a championship contender…since we would let two guys go and just one come in i say sign Kyle Visser
Next Years Line-Up:
1st Team:
Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Jamison, Okafor
2nd Team:
JCN, Young, Blatch, Pech, Etan
Others:
AD, Mason Jr., McGuire, Calvin Booth, Visser
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:31 AM
IF Visser doesn’t come up big in the summer league (sigh) I’m expecting to lose 1 of the big 3. C’mon Kyle! No Pressure lol. We need to keep our team captain here until his contract expires, then, rework one that will keep him here to finish his career on a Winning team! Our Team!
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:31 AM
after thinking it through i think we should trade JCN…do you know how much fire power this team would have…we would have the best offense in the NBA…JCN can be our Barbosa or maybe even better Sixth Man of the Year…if we make any moves i think it should be to get Emeka Okafor…he’s a 14 PPG – 11 RPG guy and he has good defense i believe we would be a championship contender…since we would let two guys go and just one come in i say sign Kyle Visser
Next Years Line-Up:
1st Team:
Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Jamison, Okafor
2nd Team:
JCN, Young, Blatch, Pech, Etan
Others:
AD, Mason Jr., McGuire, Calvin Booth, Visser
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:32 AM
sorry for the repost..but you should consider reading it!!
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:32 AM
How do you suggest we get Okafor?…
I don’t know how good Visser is.. so far, sounds like a Peter Ramos to me.
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:34 AM
OH God… WD.. I Hope NOT!
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Wiz… did you mean “should not” trade JCN? your post makes more sense that way.
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:39 AM
and I AGREE lol
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:41 AM
the Bobcats have about 12 mil in cap space maybe Brendan and Darius should do the trick and you could add and 1st or 2nd round draft pick Emeka makes about 4 mil a year and etween brendan and darius about 7 mil the trade would work considerin they’re cap space….and from wat i have heard is that Visser is the highest rated non-drafted rookie….some draft scouts had him going in the early 2nd round he averaged 17 ppg and 8 rpg at wake forest for some reason some one said he was 7″ 3′ but he’s only 7″ 0′
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:41 AM
o yeah my mistae yeah it should say not trade JCN
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:43 AM
after thinking it through i think we should *NOT*trade JCN…do you know how much fire power this team would have…we would have the best offense in the NBA…JCN can be our Barbosa or maybe even better Sixth Man of the Year…if we make any moves i think it should be to get Emeka Okafor…he’s a 14 PPG – 11 RPG guy and he has good defense i believe we would be a championship contender…since we would let two guys go and just one come in i say sign Kyle Visser
Next Years Line-Up:
1st Team:
Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Jamison, Okafor
2nd Team:
JCN, Young, Blatch, Pech, Etan
Others:
AD, Mason Jr., McGuire, Calvin Booth, Visser
sorry i made a mistake in the other posts
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:43 AM
No Wiz… there is a 7″3″ guy on our summer league roster (please don’t ask me to spell his name lol). Was just wondering who he was and how good he was. I was “not” refering to Mr. Visser.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:47 AM
o i havent seen him on there..o okay i see Shagari Alleyne he’s 7″ 3′ git you but wat do you think about my propsal to get okafor??
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:50 AM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=379&page=stats
o amn all this guy has is tallness wat is he doing on our roster?? consider lookin at his minutes per game when you look at his point and rebounds
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:50 AM
I have mixed emotions. I don’t want to give up Antawn, but, unfortunately, he is the big buck guy in his last contract year. To get Okafur we are probably going to lose him. Would O be a good addition.. OH YEAH!
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:51 AM
also look at his basic stats per 40…please dont tell me he isd another Peter John Ramos…wat a waste of money that would be
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Hey… he could be the best “bench warmer” in NBA history?
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:54 AM
i dont want to give up antwan…maybe our two draft picks may get it done and knowing how much MJ like UNC guys (Brendan)
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:55 AM
Okafor is a top notch up and comer in the league… I don’t think thats enough to get him.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:55 AM
haha your really funny Grifon
i gotta agree with you on that one
i mean how could you be worse than Peter John Ramos??
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:55 AM
Not exactly the stats I wanted to see lol
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:56 AM
maybe add AD they are in need of a point gaurd now that Knight is leaving
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:56 AM
Brendan + AD + Two Draft Picks for Emeka Okafor
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:00 AM
WD
AJ alone… no… but we would lose him just the same. I’d rather we had a big man “step up” and be able to keep AJ. Ok it’s a dream, but, it’s my dream LOL.
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:01 AM
They released Knight because they don’t want him.
Felton is a good PG.
With Jason Richardson’s contract, I don’t think they can absorb the contracts anyways.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:02 AM
Brendan + AD + Two ’08 Draft Picks for Emeka Okafor should do it
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:06 AM
but other tha Felton who do the have??? AD would be a good veteran for them…and thats how much space they have including Jason Ricardsons Contract
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine
just select the Charlotte as the first team and at the bottom of thier roster it says their cap space which is $10,759,419 thats already including Ricardson’s $9,999,999 contract
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:08 AM
I know it’s easy to do living in the “now”. Don’t get into the practice of giving up future draft picks as a very good center/general manager for the Bullets/Wizards did for a decade. It comes back to bite you.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:11 AM
true Grifron but if we didnt we would have to give up Jamison and i know nobody wants that
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:12 AM
and once we have Oksfor under our belt i think our team should stay toghter for the next 3 or 4 years
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM
True Wiz… TRUE.. Ok this time I’ll make the WU exception…rofl
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:15 AM
plus at the end of the season i believe Jamison would come back and he would be a good 5 mil cheaper
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:16 AM
That trade thing isn’t right.. looks like it’s listing the players at their 06/07 salaries and it doesn’t include Brevin Knight. Even thought they released him, his salary still counts towards their cap. Also, Gerald shouldn’t even be on there… If they re-sign Gerald, he’s looking at 10+ million a year. Matt Carroll also re-signed at six-year, $27 million contract.
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:16 AM
C’mon KYLE… No Pressure? nite all
Comment from Wizards4Life
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:16 AM
wishful thinking IMO but cant put anything past EG and MJ is a lofty GM at best if there were any one that thought wow K. Brown sounds like a good 1st round pick “that would be MJ” then he would trade you Shaq and Kobe for Haywood and a tube sock & paper clip so he could mcgiver him into a good player
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:22 AM
W4L
Now That’s Funny (lmao)
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:25 AM
ok I mean it now. as I exit stage left, laughing as I go, thinking WOW we could have a pretty awesome team next season, given recent developments? Go Wizards!
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:26 AM
You make MJ sound like a complete idiot… lol
alot of GMs that year would’ve taken Kwame Brown 1st.
sure.. he did make some mistakes but he also cleared cap space which led us to getting Arenas… getting rid of Juwan’s contact.. signing Larry Hughes…
Getting Brendan Haywood..
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:28 AM
yea he cleared up space here as he has over there…i dont remember what site i saw he current salary cap space but they were a good 10 mil under
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:32 AM
and they would include Matt Carrols new deal b/c he hasnt sign yet free-agents arent allow to sign until July 10…and from wat i’ve heard Gerald Wallace wont be returning to the bobcats
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:32 AM
No WD is actually right… MJ got us out of a horribole financial straight (he will no doubt never get credit for doing so, but, he should!) He paved the path for EG in the post WU days that darned near killed the franchise. Ernie came in post Michael getting us out of financial ruin and built a team of real players! Never Ever say MJ didn’t have a profound impact on the Wizards! KB was his only mistake.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:34 AM
i thought you were leaving Grifron..i guess this topic is to interestin..lol
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:36 AM
Ok I REALLY Mean it (lmao) I’m going to bed…. Go Wizards!! Nite Wiz and WD, W4L et al
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:44 AM
i think that Emeka Okafor is the only one we really have a shot at…i believe we have not shot at LaMarcus Aldridge..nad i say them because with them we may not have to trade any off or big three or our off season aquisitions
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 1:46 AM
i wish Tom Mandel was here to read this i know he would have stuff to say
Comment from Nara
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:12 AM
bobcats aren’t trading emeka unless they get caron or gilbert. Emeka’s too important for them. Just because salaries work doesn’t mean they’ll want our dumps.
Comment from Nara
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:12 AM
correct that, they probably won’t trade him even for caron unless they get caron plus an arm and a leg for emeka.
Comment from Nara
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:14 AM
I think the most realistic scene is darius songalia and antawn jamison playing more time off position at 5 with Eddie Jordan going small and we end up trading one of our centers for a non-center since there’s ABSOLUTELY NO CENTERS AVAILABLE for a decent price in this league anymore.
Comment from stevevu
Time July 5, 2007 at 6:45 AM
As for mj, another mistake that he made was trading away rip hamilton for stackhouse and other people i dont remember. I think that was a pretty bad trade.
Also, if the wizards need to give up one of the big 3, probably jamison, for a big like gasol, i wouldnt oppose it. yes i know that jamison is the leader, but i feel that caron is more valuable and that he can step up as leader. You need an inside presense to win a championship and not a bunch of perimeter players, unless you have mj or are the pistons with 4 allstar calliber players. look at the spurs big 3, parker ginobli( who navarro is compared to) and duncan, to the nets, kidd carter and jefferson. on eteam has bunch of rings with a good big and the other has neither.
Comment from wonderbask
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:07 AM
Greetings from Basque Country in Spain. Here the notice is that Memphis will try to get Navarro for playing with Pau, but I think that WASH has a good posibility for getting both wonderful players. I know Juan Carlos Navarro (his nick is “la bomba” = the bomb) since he was a junior, he is a star in Europe but don´t confuse about him, he is not a PG even he always knows what team needs, he is a terrific shooter, a whole SG, even he can play at small 3. Don´t be afraid, he is not a rookie, we are speaking about a wonderful player. I have just read in your blog that there are some dubts about him but I can sure that he is better than Barbosa, D. Stevens and M. Carroll. And please, don´t lose the chance for Gasol, he will give you 20-10 everynight.
I would propose a trade for A-D + E. THOMAS + SONGAILA
Next WW team:
ARENAS NAVARRO BUTLER JAMISON GASOL
MASON STEVENSON HAYES PECHEROV HAYWOOD
TAYLOR YOUNG McGUIRE BLATCHE BOOTH
Go Wizzards, the Championship is yours!
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:03 AM
I remember when MJ traded Rip for Stack, I thought it was ok. But Rip continued to develop. And *everybody* thought Kwame was the real deal — all over the league. Then when we traded a lottery pick (#5) and 2 players for Jamison, I questioned the deal — but that one turned out to be just fine!
So I conclude that trades are hard to get right, but the guys who are GMs usually know more than I do!! No surprise, right?
For example, I *don’t want* to give up the rights to JCN, and I don’t want Posey. Even though Ernie knows more than I do, I’m looking at that kid’s dynamism and thinking he can really light up a team. Now, when I do that, I’ve got Ginobili in my head. He has been huge. Who wouldn’t want someone like that? But no one knows in advance that a guy is going to turn into a killer player like that.
Getting out from under Etan’s contract would be a *big* step forward for the Wizards. I like Etan — as a player and even more as a person! — but he is overpaid and Brendan is a better center. Is it worth losing the chance at JCN to dump the contract? I don’t know. I’d sure rather trade it to Portland w/ jcn and get LaMarcus Aldridge, but that deal probably doesn’t make sense.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:33 AM
okay, so if you guys say it is not possible to get Emeka then i guess we will have to stay with the same team and play jamison and pech at he 5
Comment from stevevu
Time July 5, 2007 at 9:23 AM
it just occured to me that whenever eg said that something was unlikely to happen it happened. he said that it would be unlikely to find a guy at 16 who can contribute right away and get into the rotation, but i think that we got that guy in young. he said that it is unlikely that navarro would be playing for them this upcoming year, but now he happens to be available to sign. lets just hope that eg says that it is unlikely that a trade for gasol will happen.
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 5, 2007 at 9:38 AM
We don’t know that Young will get into the rotation or that Navarro will be playing for us. We only know that Navarro has the option to negotiate with us, given to him by his Barcelona team.
Still, it *would* be great to get Gasol.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 10:35 AM
and if we do get Gasol there is no reason why Navarro wont want to play for us….plus i believe that Young Will be the back up SG he’ll get his 15-20 min a game
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 10:50 AM
If we’re trading for Gasol, I think we have to give up something major..
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 5, 2007 at 10:52 AM
How about trading Antwan and Etan + 2nd rd picks for Gasol. I wouldnt mind trading A.J . I know he is a floor leader and all but we get another leader back but in the better position “Center”. We had enough guys who can played SF,PF. so we dont need to trade for another F. We need a true C not F.
Comment from odawg
Time July 5, 2007 at 11:36 AM
If we trade for Gasol we’ll have to include Caron Butler or Arenas. Without Gasol, Memphis is pretty terrible and doesn’t have a chance to compete in the near future, so having Jamison for a year would be a waste. And Memphis wants a young all-star in return for Gasol.
Of course, even if we lose Butler, if we have Gasol, Arenas, Jamison and Navarro then we have a great chance to make it to the championship.
I think that Butler, Haywood and A.D for Gasol would be a reasonable starting point for a trade.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 11:41 AM
thats true Wizzy….we have ALOT of depth at the PF position and Pau would automatically come in and center Maybe Antwan + Etan (ugly contract) + 1st round pick in 08′ draft (i dont think they would take 2nd rounder)
Starting 5:
Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Blatch or Pech, Pau Gasol
Second String:
JCN, Young, McGuire (defense), Blatche or Pech, Haywood
Third String:
Daniels, Taylor, Darius, Visser, Booth
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 11:41 AM
odawg, there is no way we trade Butler if we are going to trade someone its going to be Jamison
Comment from kg
Time July 5, 2007 at 11:58 AM
If we can’t get Gasol or Okafor without breaking the big three, I won’t take any. I won’t even trade JCN for defensive minded player. All we need is a center who can rebound well at the end of the game and shoot freethrow well. Other than that, we don’t need 20-10 guy. David Lee could be a good one but I don’t think we could get him.
Comment from kg
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:01 PM
can we get David Lee easily? Now Knicks already have Zach Randolph and Eddie Curry.
Comment from odawg
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:11 PM
wiz-skins07,
I’m not sure that we would trade Butler either, but that would be who we’d have to trade. If Memphis trades away Gasol, then that means they’re going to have rebuild their whole team. You saw how bad they were without him last year.
You can’t rebuild your team with Jamison especially since his contract runs out next year. I don’t think that they’d even want Jamison so much. But Butler is a quality building piece for a young rebuilding team.
And it’s a lot easier to get a quality SF in the draft then a quality C.
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:15 PM
The only post that makes sense is odawg’s….
There’s no chance they’re going to take Jamison and Etan plus picks for Gasol… They don’t want Etan’s contract… and don’t need Jamison’s expiriing deal..
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:16 PM
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/20070705/NOTICIA357006049.html
Can someone translate this?
Comment from kg
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:19 PM
from business point of view, JCN will be good for internationl attraction and jersey selling in Spain.
Comment from gil4MVP
Time July 5, 2007 at 12:40 PM
i dont know about trading AJ, he was a beast in the playoffs. I think we should keep JCN and give him a try this season. He has experience and proved that he is a worthy player in the FIBA championship.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:12 PM
kg i gotta agree…david lee is easier to get now and he’s a 10-10 guy which is exactly what arenas said he would like a SCRAPPY CENTER THAT CAN GET BOARDS
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:15 PM
i wish we could get hi mbut it will be hard to because the Knicks are WAY OVER the cap
Comment from edry09
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Look at this:
this is a 3 team trade between WIZ, DENVER and MEMPHIS which would send:
-AJ, Haywood, Hayes and Atkins to Denver
-K-Mart, JR Smith,AD and Booth to Memphis
-Camby and Pau Gasol to Washington
We should now have as first line up:
ARENAS
STEVENSON
BUTLER
GASOL
CAMBY
and 2nd lineup
NAVARO(TAYLOR)
YOUNG (MASON)
MC GUIRE****
BLATCHE (SONGAILA)
THOMAS (PECHEROV)
****We should bring via free agency a SF like Gerald Wallace
WHAT DO YOU THINK????
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:30 PM
http://www.nba.com/news/423426.html
there is no way we trade him to our rivals the HEAT OR THE CAVS
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:33 PM
edry09 this trade is perfect gasol and navarro are happy
Wizards
Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Gasol, Camby
Denver
Blake,???, Melo, Antwan, Brendan
Mamphis
AD, JR Smith, ???, K-Mart, ????
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 2:34 PM
i think everyone will like especially if we throw in som draft picks (ESPECIALLY FOR DENVER)
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 3:12 PM
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/20070705/NOTICIA357006049.html
Juan does NOT want to come to Washington. He fears Arenas won’t be here next season and that the Wizards don’t have a shot at winning the championship. His first choice is Memphis, and his second choice is Miami.
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 5, 2007 at 3:42 PM
this is what got me in what he was saying….the article implies that we don’t have “excessive aspirations,” but hell, does memphis? in fact, i’d say the wiz have as much shot as miami of getting to the finals right now….and memphis…MEMPHIS? at this point, memphis’ aspiration is to not lose 60 games….question: can gasol opt out anytime soon? if we keep JCN maybe gasol will just come play for us at some point
Comment from kg
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:11 PM
even if he doesn’t want to play for us, I’ll still keep him on bench the whole year. We’ve been waiting so long for this. Can’t let him go without keeping him for at least a year. lol
Comment from Wizards4Life
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:26 PM
he dose not want to be here because we have no shot at a ship but wants to go to the Griz get outa here this guy must have been over there in a cave….i say we send him to the cavs an get larry back he played nice Ball beside Gil. then you add in the fact that we wont need him to take over a game we just need him to play some D
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:29 PM
W4L nice thinking…we should get Larry Hughes back (why did we let him go in the first place he was nice) but for that we should trade hime there with etan or brendan and a draft pick..i dont think the would take him alone for larry…plus we dont have the cap space to trade only JCN for Larry…….Larry makes like 11 mil a year
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:33 PM
what you all think of trading A.D and A.jamison and Etan + picksfor Pau Gasol and Rudy Gay. We have Nick young who can played as SG, SF. Resign D.Stevenson. Sign n trade Hayes and Haywood. Well everything is depend on E.G. Whatever he did, its will be the best for Wizards Org.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:36 PM
i would do anything except trade gil and caron for pau gasol
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:41 PM
The front Office consider really good this year. Get a really good Defensive Coach. Now Cavs,Bulls are on the rise and sooner or later East will become West so. I really consider getting A CENTER. If they know what the Wiz rival were doing. Gotta be better. Cels, Knicks, Rapts,.. the rest of Eastern Conf: teams are working really hard now. We should be sitting in our a$$.
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:43 PM
sry wrong spell. ” we shouldnt be sitting on ure a$$.”
Comment from winnow07
Time July 5, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Get rid of: Hayes, Ruffin and Booth (take a chance on a pair of young bigs rather than resigning these guys who have had years to prove how untalented they are)
Must keep: Arenas, Butler, Navarro, Young, Pecherov, Blatche
Tradeable: Haywood, Thomas, Daniels, Stevenson, and Jamison.
JAMISON is great at putting up points but we need an inside force. Plus, we will lose Jamison after this year anyway to free agency. Grunsfeld will wisely not resign Jamison to the 16 mil/yr that he will ask for in free agency. One because he plays no defense and two because hes 31 years old. So keeping him is pointless, we are not going to win a championship this year. Wizards nation can set their sights on an NBA title in 2 years or 3 years, but we are not going to win it all next year. By keeping Jamison, it is likely that we will get nothing in return for him when he signs with somebody else in free agency, whereas we might be able to trade him for a legit big man this offseason either with a team that wants to clear up some cap space after next year or one that views Jamison as having several more good years and wants to resign him @ the 16 mil/yr he will ask for in free agency.
HAYWOOD AND THOMAS
We will NEVER win in the playoffs with Haywood and Thomas down low. NEVER, simple as that. Look at recent NBA champions bigs: Shaq, Duncan, Ben Wallace, Hakeem Olajuwon. Since 1990, only the Bulls with MJ the greatest player of all time have been able to win a championship without a powerful post presence.
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 6:03 PM
http://www.bombanavarro.com/cat/web/index.php
Can someone translate from his official site.. I believe he’s answering questions.
Comment from kg
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:14 PM
does anyone know where I can download or buy the some of the wizards games from last year?
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:45 PM
I think he says that basically it’s up to the Wizards to decide what to do with his rights. What’s most important for him is to play in the nba and help a team. Memphis would be good because Pau’s there, but that could change. Miami would be good because people in the area speak Spanish. But, in the end, it’s up to Washington. His representatives are handling the negotiations.
In other words, he is being diplomatic and professional — on the other hand, the site is in Catalan (i.e. not Spanish, though close), and for all I know he said the opposite of what I got out of it!
Comment from WizDom
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:50 PM
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-26-14/Navarro-Dreams-of-the-NBA-More-than-the-Wizards.html
Thanks TM,
I think I found a translation (some of what you said) and some more info.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:50 PM
well lets just hope we can get a defensive minded center that can get us ALOT of boards they can suck on offence for all i care we have maybe the best offense in the league if we sign JCN hint *Ben Wallace* but i think he is out of our range unless Pau goes to Chicago and we trade the rights of JCN to chicago
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:57 PM
the site WizDom put up is interesting you should read…according to Navarros agents/reps plan A is to play for the Wizards!!!!! he is asking for something less than the MLE and they also said that all the stuff about JCN not wanting to play here and wanting to play for Memphis or Miami is not him it is just the press which believes that he would be better accomidated there because they are more spanish speakers…but what the heck there are a lot of spanish people around here
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 7:58 PM
can you imagine AGENT ZERO and AGENT BOMBER fighting for the Championship
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:01 PM
i would really comsider this
edry09 Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Look at this:
this is a 3 team trade between WIZ, DENVER and MEMPHIS which would send:
-AJ, Haywood, Hayes and Atkins to Denver
-K-Mart, JR Smith,AD and Booth to Memphis
-Camby and Pau Gasol to Washington
We should now have as first line up:
ARENAS
STEVENSON
BUTLER
GASOL
CAMBY
and 2nd lineup
NAVARO(TAYLOR)
YOUNG (MASON)
MC GUIRE****
BLATCHE (SONGAILA)
THOMAS (PECHEROV)
****We should bring via free agency a SF like Gerald Wallace
WHAT DO YOU THINK????
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:04 PM
all of this sounds encouraging…although it comes off more like diplomacy than anything. whatever, i’ll take it. if he’s willing to play for less than the MLE, then that’s super….
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:08 PM
****We should bring via free agency a SF like Gerald Wallace
WHAT DO YOU THINK????
i think wallace is completely out of reach in terms of salary. besides, we don’t need a 8-10M/yr player at SG, we need someone serviceable, a good role player that complements the big 3. that’s personifies DS. JCN personifies what we need coming off the bench. JCN, young, pesh, mason (?) and songaila can cure the bench scoring problem we had last year…
Comment from JakeTheSnake
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:29 PM
I wouldn’t take Navarro’s comments as a major concern, I mean sure he’d like to play along side his friend Pau Gasol or play in Miami where he would be a little more marketable, but I don’t think this will turn into a Yi Jianlian situation if there isn’t a sign and trade. As long as JCN is serious about playing in the NBA, than I’m pretty sure he’ll play with Washington. With that said, if JCN does end up playing in D.C. I don’t think it helps the chances of getting Gasol all that much, at the end of the day Chicago, and probably several other teams can offer much better packages than the Wizards.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:44 PM
but what do you think about the trade??
this is a 3 team trade between WIZ, DENVER and MEMPHIS which would send:
-AJ, Haywood, Hayes and Atkins to Denver
-K-Mart, JR Smith,AD and Booth to Memphis
-Camby and Pau Gasol to Washington
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 5, 2007 at 8:54 PM
that’s a great trade in theory, but i just don’t see it happening…if we can manage to only give away one player that we really want and end up with camby AND gasol, grunfeld would be executive of the century…most of the trades i’ve seen on here are good in terms of salaries working, but in terms of realism, i dunno….
Comment from ChenierFan
Time July 5, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Give a lot of credit to Grunfeld for upgrading the talent level on the Wiz. This guy Young looks like a starter to me. I am not a big Stevenson fan and don’t think he is a capable NBA starter. He really fell flat when Arenas got hurt and showed that he is a marginal NBA starter. He would work best coming off the bench against second-line players. Jamison should also reprise his role as sixth man which he did with great success when he was with Dallas and was voted sixth man of the year award. The starters need to be tall, strong and athletic and the young guys (Pech, Blatche, McGuire and Young) are. I say let’em go.
As far as this guy, Juan Carlos Navarro (or is it Ferrero?), isn’t he playing at Wimbledon tied with Federer 5-5 when the rain halted play? He should be resting for the upcoming season. Seriously, this is another coup for Grunfeld. This gives the team a lot of options.
I can’t wait to see how this guy Visser plays in the summer league. The scuttlebut is that he could be a real sleeper.
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 5, 2007 at 9:34 PM
i don’t agree. DS definitely cannot come off of the bench. he wasn’t effective with gil and caron hurt because he can’t create his own shot. if you cannot create your own shot as a SG, you have to be on the floor with someone that can get you open shots.
Comment from neal
Time July 5, 2007 at 9:52 PM
Whew. Just printed out the 72 page salary cap document. I didn’t feel like I could deal with all the new possibilities w/o understanding the cap exceptions. So I’ll use it to put me to sleep tonight.
Never knew Spanish fluency wouldn’t get me anywhere with Catalan. I couldn’t even figure out what language I was looking at.
How big is Navarro? Is he a 1 or a 2?
Comment from JakeTheSnake
Time July 5, 2007 at 10:00 PM
wiz-skins07 – As for the trade, I’d love it if it happened but I don’t think that Denver would go along with it. Part of the reason why they might shop Camby around is because they can play Nene and K-Mart down low and still be effective. I don’t think Denver would be as thrilled with Nene and Haywood. I think the only way the Wizards could land Camby would be to trade Daniels, either Haywood or Songaila, and probably a draft pick. Gasol would almost have to demand that he be traded to Washington in order to get there in my mind, Washington would almost have to give up Butler in order to get Gasol and I think we can both agree that just isn’t going to happen.
Ron – While it’s true that DS struggles to get his own shots, you could probably say that about 90% of players that don’t start in the NBA, that’s what makes them bench players. If they had the skill to create their own shots, they’d probably be a starters wouldn’t they? Don’t get me wrong, I get your point but you also have to remember that it’s very rare that both Caron and Gil are both off of the court at the same time, and when they are both off the court it usually means that the game is already in hand, at which point Stevenson would be facing players closer to his skill level where he’d be able to create his shot more easily.
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 5, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Jake – i def. understand that most bench players have the same affliction as DS, but i feel like he has qualities that we need on the floor given the prowess of the big 3. i don’t think you necessarily have your best 5 players as your starters, sort of like ginobili being a 6th man for the spurs…it’s about who complements one another. in my opinion, if DS is coming off the bench, we might as well let him walk. his salary demands may get out of hand anyway. i get the feeling that he’s gonna use kapono’s contract as a precedent for what he should get. for his sake, i hope he does’t end up overvaluing himself two years in a row
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 5, 2007 at 11:55 PM
Hi Guys. First of all Tom.. Wow I’m very impressed with the translation! Very Cool. Wiz… that trade sounds great, but, remember it came off of ESPN’s “put your players in and see what numbers work” site. Nobody has reported that as a trade possibility. That being said.. Yes I’d go for that lol. Reading WD’s full translation of Mr. Navarro’s post made me feel a lot better. Maybe instead of Mr. Navarro being enticed to Memphis to play with Pau… Pau may be enticed to come to Washington to play with Juan??? I’ve know EG to pull off bigger surprises?
Comment from wonderbask
Time July 6, 2007 at 7:21 AM
Hi guys, here from Bilbao, Basque Country (Spain). You are not in Houston but I have a problem, my spanish is perfect but my english awful, so it´s not easy for me to translate what spanish´s newspapers say. “El mundo deportivo” from Barcelona (Navarro´s town) says that Navarro would like to play with Pau, but in this moment Gasol´s future is not clear, there is an important offer from Chicaco (Nocioni + Duhon + Noah). Even Washington has a competitive team (if Gil decides to continue next year), Miami is a nice town for living and a stronger team, and they loves Navarro´s game too.
About the contract, newspaper says that Navarro wants to sign for 12 millions $ in 3 years. He is a professional but not a guy who is always looking for money. I´m sure he is considering the best team for making a succesful career in NBA, and Wizzards has a great oportunity.
How big is Navarro? He is an 6′ 4″ true shooting guard, but he can play at 3 too, I think that he will be a excelent complement for Gil at the perimeter, a terrific danger for the defenses and at the same time a serious and compromised player who makes his teammates better. He is a clutch player, a man who often decide the match with the definitive shoot (yes, I know you have Gil too). It is true that can be compared with Ginobili and Barbosa, even Navarro is better shooting from long range. I have seen him a lot of times changing the sign of a hard match with an incredible serie of 3.points shoots without fail. Oh, guys, you don´t already know the spectacular player you can get next.
Pau Gasol will be the perfect complement at the paint. I would trade Daniels + Hayes + Haywood for Gasol.
How good is San Antonio Spurs planification work!, its first draft election, the young brasilian Tiago Splitter is an athletic and formidable center, he will be grow at Duncan´s shadow.
Congratulations, you´ll be happy with “la bomba” and trade for Gasol.
Comment from Reuben
Time July 6, 2007 at 7:52 AM
I read that Navvaro does not want to be a Wizard because he thinks Gil will leave.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 8:02 AM
yea you read that but he also stated yesterday that those are all rumors
as i said earlier in this blog his plan is to play for the Wizards!!! and i believe that he can start over DeShawn as well can Nick Young buti say let DeShawn walk if he already reject a 12 mmil 3 year offer….and if that is truely what JCN wants i would give it to him no doubt
Starting Line-Up:
Gilbert, JCN, Caron, Antwan, give Blatch or Pech a shot
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 8:09 AM
its hard to get Lee though because the cap space that the Knicks have
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 8:10 AM
maybe a draft pick because i don think the knicks will use him as often with Randolpf and Curry on the block
Comment from kg
Time July 6, 2007 at 8:49 AM
for David Lee, I guess they’ll probably want a veteran point guard AD to run along with Stephen Murbury. And they can give us J. Jefferies(Probably not) or Jerome James(probably because he’s another center Knicks might not need) with D. Lee. But the thing is we need to get rid of one of our centers, so….I don’t know is there any way to make it happen.
Comment from WizDom
Time July 6, 2007 at 10:49 AM
wonderbask, thanks.. your english is great.
I haven’t heard anything much negative from international fans.
How is his Defense though?
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 2:58 PM
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2007/07/more_of_the_latest.html
reasd this it is interesting…but its says here that DeShawn may be wanting more than what he got offered 4 years = 12 mil…him and his agent have recongnized Matt Carrols big ugly contract and also Jason Kapono’s
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:02 PM
they are small role players and getting pay big money…if it is like this maybe we should give Jarvis another shot he is no that valuable on the market and may not even make half of the MLE he played better defense that DeShawn did on LeBron…but it also says that Cleveland is interested in JCN if we could get them to take Etans ugly contract and get Larry Hughes back we wouldnt even have to worry about signing DeShawn imagine the Big 4…plus Larry plays better defense and is better offensively than Stevenson…
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:09 PM
I think a guy like Drew Gooden would address an immediate need for the Wiz on the front court. If the Wiz could deal Etan and the rights to JCN in exchange for Gooden and maybe squeeze a #2 pick out of the deal, I’d take it.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:11 PM
oh and by the way even if the Wizards do disappoint next year, I don’t think there’s any way that they fire EJ, not until Gilbert signs an extension with the team. He’s on record as wanting EJ and his system to remain in place, and I think the Wizards will pay attention to that.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM
another thing is that Nick Young will eventually replace DeShawn why pay a guy to sit on the bench??
Comment from JakeTheSnake
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:27 PM
Ron-Alright, I think I get what you’re saying now, and I agree with you that if DeShawn gets the money that he’s looking for than he would have to start to make it worthwhile and I’m not sure that they can ensure that it will happen. Part of me would still love to have him on the team in some role or another but with all these high contracts that guards like Stevenson are getting, it seems less and less likely that it will happen.
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:36 PM
there’s just so many scenarios and speculations right now, it’s insane. it seems like there’s the opportunity to package JCN or AD with etan or blatche and bring back a number of players that can help: a big SG or a frontcourt guy….for instance, if we offered AD and etan and that brought back an expendable SG like magette or hughes (which i don’t think i’m a fan of, his contract os ignorant), you upgrade the SG position, and at the same time we wouldn’t need to sign DS, could sign JCN, and dumped etan’s salary. magette makes 8m for the next 2 years, and he could be a pretty good complement…i don’t even want to talk about hughes’ contract, BUT having him would make gil happy again and could placate him for letting DS walk…OR we could package AD or JCN and blatche and reel in an even better player. i’m not necessraily for or against any of these ideas, but the fact remains that there’s so much flexibility for a different roster from the one that we see now and certainly from the one that we had as of the end of last season
Comment from odawg
Time July 6, 2007 at 3:52 PM
If DeShawn doesn’t accept a 4 year 12 Mil year then he can see what other teams offer him. Personally, I’m not sure he’s even worth that.
The fact is he got exposed once Arenas got hurt. He can’t get you any points unless he’s a fourth or fifth option. Even during the playoffs he still wasn’t the main option(that would have been AJ) and he got completely shut down.
If he waits too long, the Wiz will sign Navarro and DeShawn will simply have to settle for another minimum contract.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:00 PM
Hughes would be perfect he makes about 12 mil and Etan is making about 7 mil thatsonly 5 mil more and then deduct the money we would waste on DeShawn about 3 thats only 2 mil more for Hughes trade JCN and Etan for Hughes i would love Larry back he was a great player over here and seems mto like DC but for me that would be the final roster move unless we trade AD for a “scrappy” center…plus Hughes plays better defense and offense than DeShawn..after all the defensive hype Jarvis was better defensively than Stevenson
Imagine:
Gilbert Arenas, Larry Hughes, Caron Butler, Antwan Jamison, and Brendan
It wouldn’t be the Big 3 it would be the Big 4
2nd Team:
Antoinio Daniels(for now), Nick Young, Darius Songaila,Andray Blatche, Pech
Third Team:
Rojer Mason, Donell Taylor, Dominique McGuire, ??????, Kyle Visser
they would all get along and with Etan gone maybe Brendan can actually focus on playing basketball and getting boards…maybe he can spend some tim with the new coach to get better defensively as well as Antwan
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:01 PM
DS is gonna get caught in the same predicament as last year: seeing other guys with specific specialties (i.e.: shooting), and overvaluing himself…i would like to see us go as far as $4M/yr. after that, DS is on his own…he peaked last year with orlando and he saw what the market felt about him…this year he was doing fine as the 4th option, but once he became option #2, he was exposed as STRICTLY a complementary player that is an inconsistent shooter and slightly above average defender…DS’ ability is absolutely maximized in our system, and i hope he realizes it and takes the raise that’s being offered to him…quit drinkin that kool-aid!!!
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:07 PM
good thought wiz-skins…
i think we could get hughes for AD and etan….that is pretty much a 100% swap in terms of salaries (in ’07, larry makes 12 give or take and AD makes over 5, while etan makes close to 7)…i don’t know how necessary it is to have all of that salary at the 2 but it’s an idea…if that trade went through we could keep JCN and then sign a couple of fringe players later….OR you have JCN to throw into something else to get a frontcourt guy…i’m getting partial because i like just about everyone on our roster but it’s hard to stick with the roster as is…i’m starting to think that blatche is gonna be expendable…just a feeling…
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:14 PM
no i meant trade Etan and AD but i think they wont take it so why not add JCN and get Larry and and 2nd rounder??
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:17 PM
or maybe Etan, JCN and then trade AD in a seperate package to get some one like Hakim Warrick or Stro Swift
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:20 PM
you don’t think so? i think they may TRY to ask for JCN instead of AD but the cavs clearly need a point guard and i think AD better fits a need for them…plus that would be giving up too much on our end in my opinion…as much as we want to get etan’s thomas off our books…keep in mind that the cavs are probably trying 3 times as hard to get hughes off of their books…they grossly overpaid for him…i mean we grossly overpaid for etan too, but we’re talking about a contract that averages $6/yr as opposed to one that averages $12M/yr….
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:32 PM
tru well then lets try that trade etan and AD for Hughes
they may go for it for the fact that you stated that theywant him off their books
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 6, 2007 at 4:41 PM
the fact is that EG is up against the ropes salary cap wise….we’re over the cap NOW…we don’t have a full 12-man roster yet, and we need to get to 15….dude has to pull off some serious magic out of his hat and while it’s not impossible, it should be respected that he has to make salaries work while simultaneoulsy making sure that he doesn’t over or undervalue our roster as well as potential wizards that may currently be on other rosters…other factors too like do you trade with a division or conferenc rival and how a trade(s) affect(s) the books in future years…i again just want to commend grunfeld on upgrading the level of talent on our roster…major aside…ok i think the hughes trade is ok in some ways but i don’t like that we’re at the cap now w/o a full roster and we would be trading 2 guys for one guy….wow i mean imagine what the REAL front office is going through! they’re the ones that are getting real offers
Comment from DC_Fan50
Time July 6, 2007 at 5:22 PM
The Washingtonpost says:
“Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld is also in the process of figuring out what to do with guard Juan Carlos Navarro?”
Here’s a thought, left DeShawn Stevenson go and sign Juan Carlos. Navarro is one of the “Top Players” in Europe, whose defensive habits can’t be any poorer then the current back court incumbents so what’s to figure? Now clean up the bench and keep quality players this season. For once in quite a while the Wizards have access to proven ballers so let’s not waste this opportunity. We’ve seen DeShawn, and if he’s asking too much then let’s move on.
Comment from Wizzy
Time July 6, 2007 at 5:46 PM
You are right DC_Fan50. We shouldnt trade JCN. See how he perform first then trade next year if we need to. Who know Gilbert will do on next season? I heard that JCN is a SG. If JCN is SG then why do we need to sign D.Stevenson? We also have Nick Young. E.G should consider getting Pau Gasol in to our system. Do what it take to get Pau Gasol.
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Wizzy, do what it takes except trade Gil, or Caron…if we have to trade draft picks and Antwan then so be it!!!
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 6, 2007 at 9:23 PM
may Antwan + 2 08′ Draft Picks + AD
Starting Line-Up:
Gilbert, JCN, Caron, Pech/Blatche, Gasol
Comment from neal
Time July 6, 2007 at 10:43 PM
I now realize why we couldn’t just use the “Larry Bird” or “Early Bird” cap exception to sign Deshawn. Those exceptions apply only to veterans with 3 (Larry Bird) or 2 (Early Bird) years of CONTINUOUS NBA experience. Since Stevenson was briefly a FA last year his experience is not CONTINUOUS.
Deshawn apparently won’t take $3M a year. But he surely would take something approaching $4M a year. I think he’s worth it, even if he doesn’t create his own shot. He complements Gil and Caron well.
I don’t want Hughes’s contract. Period. Remember, he’s probably going to be on IR part of every year.
I think we should sign Stevenson. If there’s enough money left under the mid-level exception we should then sign Navarro and trade either him, Stevenson or Young. The mid-level exception will be approx. $5.8M. If Stevenson got $3.8M, then we could offer Navarro $2M the first year and the max raise (8%) for subsequent years. That’s possible but unlikely.
If we don’t have enough money to sign Navarro, then we should trade his rights. I now understand that when trading players the salaries of those going can’t be more than 25% plus $100,000 different from those coming. However, draft rights count as $0 in a trade. So…. we should be able to unload an overpaid or problem player to get a player or players with bargain contracts if we include Navarro’s rights.
I agree with RonBurgundy. EG and his crew must be using every brain cell.
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 7, 2007 at 2:24 AM
Mr. Navarro gives us a very unexpected bargaining chip. I’m sure that one threw even EG a curve ball. Still, it gives us the advantage. Package a few good players, a few with contract issues. and try to get Gasol?… or… Wait out the summer league and see how Mr. Visser does (he has improved every year of his basketball life according to stats)… or … stay put, with one exception…Mr. Haywood wants out… Package trade him for the team to be able to advance. We should be able to get some value for him. EG has never let me down since he has been here. Even, imo, letting Mr. Hughes go. Why would we want him back? He was only good when he was on Gilbert’s coat tail, and, hasn’t stayed healthy for a number of seasons now. In Cleveland I’m sure they would love to unload his contract. Nick Young…. Larry Hughes? I’d stick with Nick. And, he already has the “Gilbert” connection.
Things got very interesting in a very ho hum off season with the Wizards when Mr. Navarro said… “Hi Guys….. I’m here”!
Comment from Tom Mandel
Time July 7, 2007 at 9:47 AM
As usual, most of the so-called trades suggested above are ridiculously one-sided; not worth paying attention to. No, teams are not going to give us good players for our cast-offs.
neal — your analysis confirms my reaction to the idea of trading jcn’s rights along w/ etan to Miami in a sign and trade for Posey. Because navarro’s rights don’t put a *financial* burden on the deal, we might be able to use them to convince someone to take Etan’s over-paid contract.
re: DeShawn — he isn’t going to let himself be an unrestricted FA again, I don’t think. Not if his new agent is giving him good advice. Maybe the deal will go up slightly, but $12m for 4 years is in the right range. If he gets a better offer, we’ll respond or not.
It seems *possible* to me that we can get LaMarcus Aldridge, but we’d have to give up jcn’s rights and AD and probably work it to take back Darius Miles. They are building a ‘high character’ team to turn around their culture. It’s just possible Etan — who def. fits the bill — might appeal. But… they are overloaded at center. You do have to ask yourself what they are going to do with Aldridge, a young guy destined to be a good nba starting center, now that they have Oden.
Comment from RonBurgundy
Time July 7, 2007 at 10:06 AM
that makes sense to me, tom….i think we should try to throw a package together to get a frontcourt guy….a high-priced SG is just unnecessary considering the scoring we have at other positions AND the fact that we have prospects at the position….in a perfect world, i would hope that we could dump etan’s contract and AD together…i think a team like the clippers or blazers are good partners…the blazers may end up with blake, but if not, that would be optimal…i think etan would be good for them because i don’t know that aldridge’s potential can be maximized with oden already on the block…who knows…we would probably have to take a bad contract from them, but i don’t know that they would give up miles bcuz they are expecting/hoping him to retire, which would allow that contract to come off their books…that would be a great scenario if it could work
Comment from berko
Time July 7, 2007 at 7:47 PM
Mgmt sure give Juan Carlos Navarro a good look. Everyone knows we need bench scoring. Trade Jarvis Hayes instead.
Trade Haywood and Hayes and try to bring in some depth in defense and or bench scoring.
Comment from BruceO
Time July 7, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Edry09 I like your trade. It’s unbiased and improves every team. Gasol I think is worth a point gaurd, (duhon) a small forward (nocioni) who’s signed on for 7m per and a young big. (noah did the trick) so AD and a couple of vets should do the trick. Antwan salary is expiring in one year so while people might argue that memphis trying to rebuild won’t want him cause hes only there for a year, you might argue conversely that if they wanted to dump 16m (jamison’s salary) off the books they could in one year. jamisons made his money, I wouldnt be surprised if he resigns on for cheaper after the year is done even if we trade him this year. He’s the captain tell him to take one for the team. No ones ever going to pay him more than the 16 million hes making this year so theres no way his salary is scaling upwards. We have a surplus of pieces we should be able to trade for a big (those who are mentioning david lee should realize hes like an undersized powerforward despite the fact he’s a good rebounder. WE are loaded at the power forward, we need to consolidate players for single good ones. I wouldnt resign deshawn unless the numbers worked. navarro would be priority even business wise because thats popularity in spain. Navarro /Gasol paring would be excellent. peole mentioned Emeka and theres no way they’re trading him hes been carrying the bigs loads in that city sean may is out of shape and emeka people think has the same ceiling as dwight howard, do you see orlando ever giving him to us? INfact speaking of orlando darko has more upside than our C’s. I love Etan he’s strong but he’s undersized, I like haywood’s defense (especially agains Z and the Cavs) but he’s a half court player and we don’t utilize that enough maybe thats why him and eddie are beefing. I like songaila but him or jamison are expendable if we can get an elite player. I’m looking forward to the season and navarro it would suck if we;ve waited this long for him and they give him away for Bull***t, us getting him, Dmac plus nick young fulfills one of gils two wishes. we now have two aggresive scorers off the bench, his other wish was a banger. Magic said we need a 15-10 guy. we will have pech and hopefully we get gasol or a solid C or PF
Comment from neal
Time July 7, 2007 at 10:55 PM
You’re right, GrifonRacing. Things sure have gotten interesting now that we have the Navarro factor.
Berko, we can’t trade Hayes because we don’t have him. He’s a FA. We have an option to sign him for next year at $3.5M but we’ll never exercise that option.
Can Navarro mesh with Arenas? They both like to shoot a lot. They don’t call Navarro “La Bomba” for nothing. He shoots a higher % than Arenas. Of course, no one can drive and draw fouls like Agent 0.
Navarro is 6’4″ and 170 lbs. Does he exist on lettuce and celery? I thought the Spanish took two hrs for lunch and washed down their paella with lots of wine, then finished with flan.
Wouldn’t it be great if McGuire were good enough now to be our SF backup? That means Blatche could be a PF. And wouldn’t it be great if Pecherov were good enough now to be in the rotation as a center?
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 7, 2007 at 11:54 PM
I THINK THAT IS A STROKE OF GENIOUS!
Trade Navarro for Conley!
Conley has not yet signed, so you are trading the rights of 1 player for the rights to another. It works because no salaries are involved. We can then sign Conley to his slotted rookie contract!
He gives us a backup pg immediately, and an insurance policy in case Gil bolts next summer!!
Comment from mrreddman
Time July 8, 2007 at 1:37 AM
ok…..let me start by by saying i would love to keep JCN!!! we desperately need someone who can make a consistant 3 when we need it. if Stevenson wants more money than his ability dictates……let him walk…. DONT overpay for a soon to be 2nd stringer. i think by next year JCN and Nick will be better players than him, if not sooner. as far as all these potential trades everyone is talking about…. i just dont see us getting Aldridge nor Gasol for our castoffs?? come on guys lets be real!! the bulls have a much better offer for Gasol. as much as i would love to have either of them, cant really see it happening w/o giving up one of the big three. i would say Gil and Caron are off limits and as much as people like to dog Jamison, he can come through when needed. and hes a team leader. he was all we had in the playoffs and did score 50 points in a game not too long ago, which not too many ballers have on their resume. yeah his defense is suspect but hell whos defense on the wiz isnt???? we are what we are…we gotta outscore the other team and that aint gonna change overnight!! i have a few trades that i would like to know what u guys think about…..and the salaries work cap wise…….
Brenda and Songalia and next years #1 for Camby???? or Brenda and AD for Camby??? personally i wouldnt want to trade AD as i like his role and steadiness on the team. but denver needs a point so they may insist on him? Camby is a bit old and injury prone but i think he fits our needs perfectly and our #1 next year would be low anyway hopefully. if not those trades…..how about a sign and trade of Brenda and Hayes for Darko?? Darkos young and has potential, and does block shots and wouldnt cost the wiz much? and finally for all of You Gasol lovers….AD, Brenda, Songalia and next years #1 and #2 for Gasol? we would still need to find a back up point but other than that we would be awesome. dont know if Memphis would go for it though? as u can see i believe Brenda has to go!!! he is way too soft and bad attitude on top of it? fought with Kwame, Etan and EJ ..get him outta here please EG!!
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 8, 2007 at 3:25 AM
LOL… I must have hit too close… they didn’t accept my post
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 8, 2007 at 3:30 AM
condensed version… Mr. McGuire may be a good if not great SF backup. EJ praised him after the first practice. Pesh is gonna need help in the middle, the teams glaring need. Mr. Blatche will get minutes at the 3,4, and a few at the 5. Mr. Arenas gels with anyone. It always amazes me how he gets all the shots he wants, yet, in the final tally on the game stats sheet.. everyone else did too. That’s why he is so darned good.
Comment from GrifonRacing
Time July 8, 2007 at 3:35 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Wizards involved in a big trade in the short days ahead.
Comment from mrreddman
Time July 8, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Please EG…..keep JCN….Dont budge another inch on the Stevenson deal. Hes gonna be a bench player soon, as JCN and Nick will be better than him!! As far as trades go consider these:
Haywood, Songalia and next years #1 for Camby? or if Denver insist Haywood and AD for Camby? Dont really want to get rid of AD though as i like his spot on our team, plus we would still need to get a backup point. Or a sign and trade with Orlando…. Hayes and Haywood for Darko?? AND last but not least….AD, Haywood, Songalia and next years #1 for Gasol? All the trades work out cap wise and all seem realistic to me except the one possibly with Memphis….maybe Gasol would have to demand that trade too.. So what do you guys think? Guess you see the theme though…Haywood gotta go… hes a headache, already fought with Kwame, Etan and EJ..whos next???
Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 8, 2007 at 2:45 PM
Brendan is softer than a roll of Cha-Cha-Cha CHARMIN
Comment from neal
Time July 8, 2007 at 10:10 PM
I don’t think we can say Navarro is a better deal than Stevenson. He’s still just a prospect. The home-town press on our new players always makes them seem better than they are. Stevenson is a better defender and blends well with Arenas; he doesn’t force things. It’s up in the air whether Navarro would blend well with Arenas. Navarro’s main claim to fame is shooting. But how often would he get to do that?
Comment from wonderbask
Time July 9, 2007 at 7:56 AM
NEAL : You are not right at this point, I like Stevenson too, and it´s true that he is stronger and plays defense better than Juan Carlos (he defendes too WIZDOM, thanks for your words), but you are comparing a very diferent kind of guards, JCN is not a prospect!, he is a born-for-playing-basketball true star.
I am not a Barcelona´s basketball team´s supporter but I can´t close my eyes to evidence, and when you have looked for years what this guy is able to do on a court, the only thing you can say is: Guauuuuuu… “la bomba” is great! Your question is how often? my answer is… always (you will understand that he is not a robot)
Don´t be afraid about how would he blend with Gil, he has an excelent caracter, positive and always fights hard for the team. I am exciting for watching what these two predators can get together! Go Wizzards! and don´t forget we need Gasol or one competitive center, what about Kaman, Blount, Dalembert…?
Bye Wizzards!
Comment from odawg
Time July 10, 2007 at 3:13 PM
What about Cleveland and/or Miami? What could they offer us for Navarro?
Comment from nohoarhay
Time July 10, 2007 at 4:03 PM
Ive read just about everything i could b4 commenting myself so heres the move: If memphis wants juan carlos so bad there gonna have to pay for him .There in the west so they can find some was to use a 7 footer like haywood in return they give us mike miller and a conditional draft pic. for doubters mike miller shot 40.1% from 3 last year and thats not robbery for us. We give up a bum in haywood & a guy weve survived without for 5 years for a proven 6th man to replace jarmiss hayes with the money we dump from haywoods contract we can try 2 resign blatche or someone else
Comment from nohoarhay
Time July 11, 2007 at 6:35 PM
If Im EG when it comes to JCN I only want to talk to 2 of the supposed 6 or 7 interested the only two who has somethin we could actually use is Memphis & the Bobcats I would only listen if 1 of those teams will take either Haywood or Thomas 1 must go with memphis I want Mike Miller no Mike no deal in that instence they would get preferrably Haywood. With the Bobcats I want Okeafor No Emeka no deal AJ + ET +JCN for Emeka and cash or other players for cap purpposes only. What does cleveland have that we dont besides LBJ there bench stinks like ours even there starters stink. And Miami ? we dont want posey and how smart could you be to trade this guy within the didvison?
Get JCN out of the eastern confrence so he doesnt come back to kill us later But NO MIKE NO DEAL!!! NO OKEAFOR NO DEAL!!! If we cant sign him or at least get what we NEED NEED NEED not want for him send him back for all i care but we desperately need a strong 5 and a outside shooter off the bench
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Comment from wiz-skins07
Time July 4, 2007 at 10:30 AM
well as i said in the other thread i believe that we should bring Pau Gasol…him being one of Navarros best friends…not only that but he would be a great addition…he is a good interior presence…i believe that we can pull of a trade AD + Etan or Brendan + our two draft picks in next years draft…i would be willing to give that up considering that Pau Gasol still has 5 years left on his contract…he’s a 20 – 10 guy…which is what we despretely need….and the trade actually works i tried it in the trade machine
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=183~1000~996&teams=29~29~27
and another thing that i havent mention is what were our 3 biggest problems last year 1.) The defense 2.) Giving the Big 3 a rest 3.) Bench Scoring
Juan Carlos Navarro can come in and him and Nick Young can automatically give the Big 3 a breather and they can both make our bench one of the most productive benches in the league so with him coming over it automatically solves two of those problems…and also he is said to be a very good cluth shooter